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Keep in mind most of the things you care about, half the country is against. And you win some and you lose some. So you don’t get your way every time. No one do

Keep in mind most of the things you care about, half the country is against. And you win some and you lose some. So you don’t get your way every time. No one does. But your opponents are just as upset. Because you do win some battles too.

callalex 3y ago
Nowhere near half the people support these extremist policies. The senate doesn’t represent popular opinion by any reasonable margin at all, and it’s harmful to imply that it does.
- themitigating 3y ago
  Elections?
  - callalex 3y ago
    Elections prove my point. Popular votes are entirely uncorrelated with Senate representation, by design. Same with presidential elections. Compare the voting results of the US house (which is also biased but I won’t dig further into that now because it will devolve into a flame war) to the US senate for empirical evidence.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      The offices of President, Representative, and Senator are all ultimately decided by popular votes. Yes, the President is acshuarry voted in by the Electoral College, but do you know how the Electors in the College decide who to vote for? By reflecting the results of the popular vote in their respective state. Now, if you are sincerely ignorant of how civics work in the USA, kindly go and educate yourself. It's honestly a really interesting and fun subject. But, if you are deliberately spreading false information, kindly sod off like the third rate bank clerk that you are and stop inciting conflict.
      - callalex 3y ago
        Please do not be so condescending when you don’t bring any facts to the conversation. Let me help you: please name the last 5 presidents and tell me how many of them won the popular vote? For bonus points tell me how many bills have been passed in the House (popular representation) and shut down in the Senate (arbitrary “representation”)?
        Dalewyn 3y ago
        >Let me help you: please name the last 5 presidents and tell me how many of them won the popular vote? And how is that relevant, again? The President is elected by the states via the Electoral College, which is designed to emulate Congress (and District of Columbia as if it were a state) because having Congress elect the President is very problematic. The electors in turn refer to the popular votes in their respective states to decide who they vote for (and deviating here is strongly discouraged). The United States is a federation of states, all federal matters are decided by the states, and the states decide by holding popular votes within their borders. Please go and educate yourself on how the United States of America is politically structured before going off on misguided and ignorant rants to the benefit of no one. >For bonus points tell me how many bills have been passed in the House (popular representation) and shut down in the Senate (arbitrary “representation”)? This is by design. The House (aka the Lower House) proportionally represents states by population, while the Senate (aka the Upper House) represents states equally. This is because the two Houses are responsible for different duties: The House legislates matters concerning finances, among other things, while the Senate legislates matters concerning government appointments and foreign policy (eg: treaties), among other things. Certain matters should reflect the larger states better, while others should strive to not disenfranchise the smaller states as much, and the duties tasked to the two Houses reflect that practical reality. Any bills must also pass both Houses in order to become part of the law of the land. This is so larger states cannot exert excessive influence over the smaller states. Remember: The United States is a federation of states, if smaller states are disenfranchised for the sole reason that they are small, there can be no union.
        GoblinSlayer 3y ago
        Is president is related here? >KOSA was introduced in 2022 but failed to gain traction, and today its authors, Sens. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) and Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), have reintroduced it with slight modifications. Or is president somehow related to appointment of senators?
  - cwkoss 3y ago
    Like giving a diabetic the choice of coke or pepsi
weberer 3y ago
>Keep in mind most of the things you care about, half the country is against. That's only true for around 5-10 wedge issues. There are many things where 98+% of the country is either with you or apathetic. The problem is that the other 2% has lobbyists.

callalex 3y ago

Nowhere near half the people support these extremist policies. The senate doesn’t represent popular opinion by any reasonable margin at all, and it’s harmful to imply that it does.

themitigating 3y ago
Elections?
- callalex 3y ago
  Elections prove my point. Popular votes are entirely uncorrelated with Senate representation, by design. Same with presidential elections. Compare the voting results of the US house (which is also biased but I won’t dig further into that now because it will devolve into a flame war) to the US senate for empirical evidence.
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    The offices of President, Representative, and Senator are all ultimately decided by popular votes. Yes, the President is acshuarry voted in by the Electoral College, but do you know how the Electors in the College decide who to vote for? By reflecting the results of the popular vote in their respective state. Now, if you are sincerely ignorant of how civics work in the USA, kindly go and educate yourself. It's honestly a really interesting and fun subject. But, if you are deliberately spreading false information, kindly sod off like the third rate bank clerk that you are and stop inciting conflict.
    - callalex 3y ago
      Please do not be so condescending when you don’t bring any facts to the conversation. Let me help you: please name the last 5 presidents and tell me how many of them won the popular vote? For bonus points tell me how many bills have been passed in the House (popular representation) and shut down in the Senate (arbitrary “representation”)?
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        >Let me help you: please name the last 5 presidents and tell me how many of them won the popular vote? And how is that relevant, again? The President is elected by the states via the Electoral College, which is designed to emulate Congress (and District of Columbia as if it were a state) because having Congress elect the President is very problematic. The electors in turn refer to the popular votes in their respective states to decide who they vote for (and deviating here is strongly discouraged). The United States is a federation of states, all federal matters are decided by the states, and the states decide by holding popular votes within their borders. Please go and educate yourself on how the United States of America is politically structured before going off on misguided and ignorant rants to the benefit of no one. >For bonus points tell me how many bills have been passed in the House (popular representation) and shut down in the Senate (arbitrary “representation”)? This is by design. The House (aka the Lower House) proportionally represents states by population, while the Senate (aka the Upper House) represents states equally. This is because the two Houses are responsible for different duties: The House legislates matters concerning finances, among other things, while the Senate legislates matters concerning government appointments and foreign policy (eg: treaties), among other things. Certain matters should reflect the larger states better, while others should strive to not disenfranchise the smaller states as much, and the duties tasked to the two Houses reflect that practical reality. Any bills must also pass both Houses in order to become part of the law of the land. This is so larger states cannot exert excessive influence over the smaller states. Remember: The United States is a federation of states, if smaller states are disenfranchised for the sole reason that they are small, there can be no union.
      - GoblinSlayer 3y ago
        Is president is related here? >KOSA was introduced in 2022 but failed to gain traction, and today its authors, Sens. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) and Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), have reintroduced it with slight modifications. Or is president somehow related to appointment of senators?
- cwkoss 3y ago
  Like giving a diabetic the choice of coke or pepsi

weberer 3y ago

>Keep in mind most of the things you care about, half the country is against. That's only true for around 5-10 wedge issues. There are many things where 98+% of the country is either with you or apathetic. The problem is that the other 2% has lobbyists.