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My dude, he says they're worse. I don't think that's the rhetorical win you want here. I'm pulling back from that by equating them, taking a more moderate sta

by Zetice 3y ago

My dude, he says they're worse. I don't think that's the rhetorical win you want here. I'm pulling back from that by equating them, taking a more moderate stance. But you're right, I shouldn't water down MLK's thinking here; the implicit racists are substantially worse than the outright racists because they normalize the behavior and try to push black people down through unjust tranquility.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> he says they're worse No, he says he "almost reached the regrettable conclusion." If we change his words, sure, it's a foregone conclusion. But that's not what he said, and that isn't an accident. Also, again, he understands they're separate groups with different ideologies. > implicit racists are substantially worse than the outright racists Well, I didn't come into this conversation expecting to change my mind, but here we are.
- Zetice 3y ago
  Is your entire argument that racists come in multiple categories, and you think I'm failing to sufficiently differentiate between individual racist ideas?
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Is your entire argument that racists come in multiple categories, and you think I'm failing to sufficiently differentiate between individual racist ideas? No, that's a straw man you've constructed.
    - Zetice 3y ago
      No, it's a summarization of your argument, isn't it? This is a "squares and rectangles" argument... no wonder you think this is a stupid conversation! You also don't probably have to quote my entire comment.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > it's a summarization of your argument, isn't it? No, it remains a straw man you’ve constructed.
        Zetice 3y ago
        The fact that you're not elaborating or correcting me demonstrates it isn't a straw man.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > fact that you're not elaborating or correcting me demonstrates it isn't a straw man Ironically, you haven’t answered a single question I’ve posed in this thread.
        Zetice 3y ago
        ...that's not how conversations work. You aren't in charge here.

by Zetice 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> he says they're worse No, he says he "almost reached the regrettable conclusion." If we change his words, sure, it's a foregone conclusion. But that's not what he said, and that isn't an accident. Also, again, he understands they're separate groups with different ideologies. > implicit racists are substantially worse than the outright racists Well, I didn't come into this conversation expecting to change my mind, but here we are.

Zetice 3y ago
Is your entire argument that racists come in multiple categories, and you think I'm failing to sufficiently differentiate between individual racist ideas?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Is your entire argument that racists come in multiple categories, and you think I'm failing to sufficiently differentiate between individual racist ideas? No, that's a straw man you've constructed.
  - Zetice 3y ago
    No, it's a summarization of your argument, isn't it? This is a "squares and rectangles" argument... no wonder you think this is a stupid conversation! You also don't probably have to quote my entire comment.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > it's a summarization of your argument, isn't it? No, it remains a straw man you’ve constructed.
      - Zetice 3y ago
        The fact that you're not elaborating or correcting me demonstrates it isn't a straw man.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > fact that you're not elaborating or correcting me demonstrates it isn't a straw man Ironically, you haven’t answered a single question I’ve posed in this thread.
        Zetice 3y ago
        ...that's not how conversations work. You aren't in charge here.