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> Certainly don't be proud of your needless sacrifices. Who exactly are you to judge what she should or shouldn't be proud of ? When she quotes : > I’ve pull

by IMTDb 3y ago

> Certainly don't be proud of your needless sacrifices. Who exactly are you to judge what she should or shouldn't be proud of ? When she quotes : > I’ve pulled many all-nighters in my career She goes as far as adding a full explanation that you - conveniently - redacted: > I’ve pulled many all-nighters in my career and also when I was a student for something that mattered to me. I don’t regret putting in long hours or being ambitious, and feel proud of how far I’ve come from where I started thanks in part to that type of work ethic. To me this reads as someone who is perfectly happy with the decisions she took. You do not have to share same work ethics as she does and you don't have to make the same choices. But you have absolutely no right to take it away from her or to dictate what she can be proud of or happy with.

lapcat 3y ago
> Who exactly are you to judge what she should or shouldn't be proud of ? It's not about what "she" specifically should be proud of. It's about all of us, employees and our relationship to management. > She goes as far as adding a full explanation that you - conveniently - redacted I literally said, "You should read it for yourself before commenting here. (Word count is 2413 in case you're wondering.)" So the comment about conveniently redacting seems a bit absurd. > You do not have to share same work ethics as she does and you don't have to make the same choices. Nobody who knows me has ever questioned my work ethic. But speaking of ethics, I feel that it's unethical for management to ask for, encourage, or condone this kind of needless personal sacrifice by employees. Management deadlines are nearly always totally arbitrary and only benefit management, not the employees. I also noted that it's counterproductive, individually. You can't win a marathon by running a series of sprints. > But you have absolutely no right to take it away from her or to dictate what she can be proud of or happy with. You're making this way too personal. It's intended to be general advice, directed not toward Crawford, who isn't here (I don't think?) but rather to the readers of this comment. The problematic aspect of what Crawford said is the public glorification of needless sacrifice, not whether she specifically is (currently) personally happy or proud of it. By the way, note that the infamous sleeping bag photo was infamous precisely because she posted it publicly for everyone, as some kind of model for work. And she was after all a manager, setting an example for others. It wasn't just a private photo she took for her album at home that she could look back on later and reminisce fondly about "the good old days".
- MrJohz 3y ago
  She also specifically says that anything she asked her employees to do, she'd do herself, but if you read that backwards, the implication is that she is setting up a cultural expectation here: to achieve a tight deadline, if necessary, you should sleep in the office. Which is not only an incredibly unhealthy expectation (for individuals who will burn themselves out for someone else's schedule and benefit; for team leaders who will destroy any sense of team cohesion and motivation in the long run; and for managers who would get more results from a slower but more consistent pace), but it also doesn't seem to have won her anything in this case - she got fired, and it doesn't sound like she was particularly listened to or respected by Musk, despite trying to provide genuine insight and wisdom.

by IMTDb 3y ago

lapcat 3y ago

> Who exactly are you to judge what she should or shouldn't be proud of ? It's not about what "she" specifically should be proud of. It's about all of us, employees and our relationship to management. > She goes as far as adding a full explanation that you - conveniently - redacted I literally said, "You should read it for yourself before commenting here. (Word count is 2413 in case you're wondering.)" So the comment about conveniently redacting seems a bit absurd. > You do not have to share same work ethics as she does and you don't have to make the same choices. Nobody who knows me has ever questioned my work ethic. But speaking of ethics, I feel that it's unethical for management to ask for, encourage, or condone this kind of needless personal sacrifice by employees. Management deadlines are nearly always totally arbitrary and only benefit management, not the employees. I also noted that it's counterproductive, individually. You can't win a marathon by running a series of sprints. > But you have absolutely no right to take it away from her or to dictate what she can be proud of or happy with. You're making this way too personal. It's intended to be general advice, directed not toward Crawford, who isn't here (I don't think?) but rather to the readers of this comment. The problematic aspect of what Crawford said is the public glorification of needless sacrifice, not whether she specifically is (currently) personally happy or proud of it. By the way, note that the infamous sleeping bag photo was infamous precisely because she posted it publicly for everyone, as some kind of model for work. And she was after all a manager, setting an example for others. It wasn't just a private photo she took for her album at home that she could look back on later and reminisce fondly about "the good old days".

MrJohz 3y ago
She also specifically says that anything she asked her employees to do, she'd do herself, but if you read that backwards, the implication is that she is setting up a cultural expectation here: to achieve a tight deadline, if necessary, you should sleep in the office. Which is not only an incredibly unhealthy expectation (for individuals who will burn themselves out for someone else's schedule and benefit; for team leaders who will destroy any sense of team cohesion and motivation in the long run; and for managers who would get more results from a slower but more consistent pace), but it also doesn't seem to have won her anything in this case - she got fired, and it doesn't sound like she was particularly listened to or respected by Musk, despite trying to provide genuine insight and wisdom.