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I think we just saw that these cars will blow through this red light… maybe even 100% of the time. That doesn’t align with your “demonstrably makes cars safer t

I think we just saw that these cars will blow through this red light… maybe even 100% of the time. That doesn’t align with your “demonstrably makes cars safer than a human driver.” You want to pretend like we jumped to the engineering end and it’s a solved problem. It’s not. I know if my family drove through this intersection daily, I wouldn’t find the risk as acceptable.

valval 3y ago
There are all kinds of spots around the country where FSD will make mistakes with a high likelihood. Tesla has already released stats that plainly state that while autopilot or FSD are engaged, accidents are way less likely to happen than if they weren’t. It’s part of the contract for beta users that you have to pay full attention to the road ahead and be ready to react at all times if the system makes a mistake. In the case of the clip in OP, they deliberately didn’t react and should be kicked off the program by Tesla and fined by the police.
- sidibe 3y ago
  >Tesla has already released stats that plainly state that while autopilot or FSD are engaged, accidents are way less likely to happen than if they weren’t Because they are way more likely to be engaged on the easy miles and they are still bad enough that the driver pays attention
  - valval 3y ago
    The driver literally has to pay attention by contract. It’s not a matter of if the system is good enough or not.
  - daveguy 3y ago
    And if the accident happens right after the driver panic brakes, thereby taking control of the car... Does that count as an FSD accident or a driver-in-control accident? I would be willing to bet, with Tesla's fraudulent ways, they are counting a brake before an accident a driver-in-control accident. They should be required to publish the time-since-FSD of every single accident in a Tesla vehicle.

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I think we just saw that these cars will blow through this red light… maybe even 100% of the time. That doesn’t align with your “demonstrably makes cars safer t

by nickthegreek 3y ago

valval 3y ago
There are all kinds of spots around the country where FSD will make mistakes with a high likelihood. Tesla has already released stats that plainly state that while autopilot or FSD are engaged, accidents are way less likely to happen than if they weren’t. It’s part of the contract for beta users that you have to pay full attention to the road ahead and be ready to react at all times if the system makes a mistake. In the case of the clip in OP, they deliberately didn’t react and should be kicked off the program by Tesla and fined by the police.
- sidibe 3y ago
  >Tesla has already released stats that plainly state that while autopilot or FSD are engaged, accidents are way less likely to happen than if they weren’t Because they are way more likely to be engaged on the easy miles and they are still bad enough that the driver pays attention
  - valval 3y ago
    The driver literally has to pay attention by contract. It’s not a matter of if the system is good enough or not.
  - daveguy 3y ago
    And if the accident happens right after the driver panic brakes, thereby taking control of the car... Does that count as an FSD accident or a driver-in-control accident? I would be willing to bet, with Tesla's fraudulent ways, they are counting a brake before an accident a driver-in-control accident. They should be required to publish the time-since-FSD of every single accident in a Tesla vehicle.