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Yes, along with social media platforms. At least in the USA, to protect free speech, press, assembly, association, and the host of rights no enumerated, but ret

Yes, along with social media platforms. At least in the USA, to protect free speech, press, assembly, association, and the host of rights no enumerated, but retained. The US government, in my mind and in practice, appears to need 3rd party providers so they can subvert the 4th Amendment under the auspices of "free market activity" in such they just buy peoples activity data where they would have once needed a warrant, or would need one on a government provided platform. Plus, if you aren't a US citizen/greencard holder, you shouldn't be labelled as such as a means of reducing propaganda and conflating worldviews with American views.

nathan_phoenix 3y ago
Never thought of it that way, that by having the service being provided by the gov more restrictions apply to it being monetized and therefore being in a way better privacy wise. Like what you said, not being able to sell activity data. Interesting angle.
hayst4ck 3y ago
In theory I agree, but how do you reconcile this with the patriot act, prism, and secret courts? Before we can have a government that can run and create new services we have a culture problem to confront. You can't build civic e-mail when half the people want it to suck/fail so that sweet government money can be outsourced to their cronies or so that their patrons (thanks citizens united) don't get upset. Who would get blamed if it sucks? The people who want it to fail and predicted its failure (a willing self fulfilling prophecy), or the people who tried to do it and put their names on it? Clearly the former should be blamed, but in practice it's the latter.
- RyanAdamas 3y ago
  The same could have been said for any program (and was) from the NLRA to ACA. Accountability and open source functionality would be the key to providing civil overview beyond the necessary committees and boards within the government. We provided a highway system at a time when many were left to private development and state funded construction. We really shouldn't wait for the next national socialist movement to give us good ideas to help promote and sustain our own lives and economies. You can never reconcile secret unconstitutional programs; except by reducing the size of the institutions and agencies that perpetrate them, which thus far has been more difficult than passing laws to just work around them.

nathan_phoenix 3y ago

Never thought of it that way, that by having the service being provided by the gov more restrictions apply to it being monetized and therefore being in a way better privacy wise. Like what you said, not being able to sell activity data. Interesting angle.

hayst4ck 3y ago

In theory I agree, but how do you reconcile this with the patriot act, prism, and secret courts? Before we can have a government that can run and create new services we have a culture problem to confront. You can't build civic e-mail when half the people want it to suck/fail so that sweet government money can be outsourced to their cronies or so that their patrons (thanks citizens united) don't get upset. Who would get blamed if it sucks? The people who want it to fail and predicted its failure (a willing self fulfilling prophecy), or the people who tried to do it and put their names on it? Clearly the former should be blamed, but in practice it's the latter.

RyanAdamas 3y ago
The same could have been said for any program (and was) from the NLRA to ACA. Accountability and open source functionality would be the key to providing civil overview beyond the necessary committees and boards within the government. We provided a highway system at a time when many were left to private development and state funded construction. We really shouldn't wait for the next national socialist movement to give us good ideas to help promote and sustain our own lives and economies. You can never reconcile secret unconstitutional programs; except by reducing the size of the institutions and agencies that perpetrate them, which thus far has been more difficult than passing laws to just work around them.