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> As a longtime macOS user, while I don't mind the rest of how it handles windows/apps I've never liked the fullscreen mode that was added in 10.7, and the GNOM

by csdvrx 3y ago

> As a longtime macOS user, while I don't mind the rest of how it handles windows/apps I've never liked the fullscreen mode that was added in 10.7, and the GNOME fullscreen mode mentioned in the blog post is identical. I don't maximize windows often As a longtime Windows user who recently moved to Linux, I can't live without fullscreen mode: all my apps are run in fullscreen, not with F12 """fullscreen""", just normally and without useless decorations like a titlebar. I love the new UI that started on Windows, where Edge doesn't lose a full line to a useless titlebar and close button: instead, there's a X at the top right. You'll wonder, but what if I need to resize the window or move it? But as I run my windows in fullscreen mode, I don't need to do that: if I want to start a terminal, it's started on another "virtual desktop" where it'll also be run in fullscreen mode Someone else said they thought "tabs on browsers were invented because no desktop environment or GUI toolkit ever came up with a decent solution" - I don't want a decent solution! I'd rather have edge offer me vertical tabs with icons, wezterm offer horizontal tabs with ascii text and so on - more room for content! And no tabs when there's only 1 opened tab, and ideally, no space lost for the scrollbar either: unless I'm actively scrolling, I don't need to see it. > One concept I'd like to see return in modern desktop environments are 2D grid It's too complicated: just give me a line, with numbers from say 1 to 9 like the numbers on my keyboard: if I press Win + 1, take me to that desktop. If I'm already there and the app I pinned to that desktop isn't there, start it. > the level of polish isn't comparable Try hyprland with Arch: before I did, I thought I hated Linux, turns out I just hated Gnome and Ubuntu.

dfc 3y ago
Hyprland looks neat. I was expecting to see a FAQ entry comparing/contrasting to sway. What made you choose hyprland over sway?
- csdvrx 3y ago
  > What made you choose hyprland over sway? The number of people talking about how great it was, while it's much more recent that sway: it was too high to just be by chance. Eyecandy is important, and so is flexibility: check https://github.com/end-4/dots-hyprland https://github.com/end-4/dots-hyprland and you'll see very different styles made from the same hyprland that I use in "each window is fullscreen" mode. But to stay with a desktop, you've got to integrate it to your workflow, and what made me stick to hyprland is that it's possible to define a keyboard oriented workflow, like I had on Windows
  - ilyt 3y ago
    Is there any showcase that shows actual work rather than: * changing wallpapers * changing music * changing mouse cursor speed settings (why is that even in quick accessible panels, I've set it once 10 years ago and haven't changed it) ? Coz outside of being pretty it looks like worse traditional manager like xfce... I don't get the appeal.
    - csdvrx 3y ago
      > why is that even in quick accessible panels Different people like different things? FYI, there's no default panel in hyprland: if you want something you've got to configure it. ewww or waybar give you something like a dock or a taskbar, while wofi gives you menus. For wofi, I have configured the window key to open a textual list of all the apps I have install, so if I press Win it list them all, if I follow by vl it shows VLC as the only remaining entry: I can then start VLC by just hitting enter, which also makes this menu vanish as wofi runs in transparent mode over the top window. I don't like to do that often: if I find myself using something often, I assign it a number between 0 and 9 to have it as Win+number. > Is there any showcase that shows actual work Not any that I have bookmarked, because I'm used to hyprland and I wouldn't have ever thought about watching how other people use it. But here's an example from the last 30 seconds from my actual workflow where I'm using my own remapped shortcuts (some people may need F1, F2 etc to be actually doing their "function" but I don't, so I've remapped them to jump directly between desktop) I pressed F1 to go to desk 1 where wezterm is running, to check how some long running operation is going, then F2 to go back to edge to type this: I have different shortcuts for the desktop, like Win+PageUp and Win+PageDn configured to move to the next or previous one, but I seem to prefer one-key shortcuts to go directly to the one I want, so I've remapped Win+F1 to instead "transfer" a window to desk 1, say if I want something tiled next to the terminal. While I typed this message on HN I remember to do something, so I pressed Win-Grave to open zimwiki in "floating" mode above the edge browser full screen, started taking my note, then I realized I needed to test something in a terminal, so I quickly spawned a foot terminal next to the floating zim with Win+Enter (a shortcut I've setup to get myself a terminal immediately) and used Win+Left to change the splitting ratio to get more room for the terminal, doing Win+Tab to move the focus back and forth between the terminal and zim. When I was done, I pressed Control-D to close my terminal, and Win-Grave to stash away as I may have to take more notes later. This is how I use hyprland, like how I was using Windows 11 before, with some custom AutoHotKey scripts to be a keyboard-only workflow. I mostly use full screen apps and spend 95% of my time between the terminal and the browser, which I each prefer fullscreen on their own desktop Sometimes I do tiling: when I tile something next to the terminal, I have wezterm running on my desktop 1: so F1 takes me there, where I will start whatever I need with Win + the first letter of the name. Win+J change the tiling, so if there're only 2 windows tiled vertically, they become tiled horizontally The rare few times I need a mouse experience, Win+F "floats" the window which is more like what you get from a traditional window manager: I can press on the hotkey + use the mouse to resize or move the window to a specific part of the screen, but I don't think I've done that in the past weeks or even the past months!
nerdix 3y ago
I use hyprland too. macOS's full screen mode is like the experience of using hyprland. It is vastly inferior. Yes, it hides window decorations and that is good. But its lacking shortcuts to switch directly to a particular workspace (so it lacks the Win + 1 feature that you are talking about, you can only transition between workspaces with a keyboard in order with ctrl + left or right)
- csdvrx 3y ago
  > it lacks the Win + 1 feature that you are talking about, you can only transition between workspaces with a keyboard in order with ctrl + left or right I hate it when I can't change the shortcut to be what *I* like, so I'm not a big fan of macOS either. hyprland looks better and that's important, but to me its #1 strength is how you can use it as a solid base to build your workflow, with whatever keyboard or mouse shortcuts or even a mix of them (like Win + mouse dragging is often configured to reposition windows in non-tiling mode)
jwells89 3y ago
I’ve taken a peek at hyprland in the past and it looks great for what it is, but tiling is not my cup of tea, and even if it can be configured to float everything by default its design isn’t floating-first.
- csdvrx 3y ago
  I rarely use tiling: I spend most of my time on either a browser or a terminal, so they are each running fullscreen on their own desktop hyprland mostly gives me the "glue" to map the keyboard shortcuts to switch between the browser and the terminal, to start other programs with wofi.

by csdvrx 3y ago

dfc 3y ago

Hyprland looks neat. I was expecting to see a FAQ entry comparing/contrasting to sway. What made you choose hyprland over sway?

csdvrx 3y ago
> What made you choose hyprland over sway? The number of people talking about how great it was, while it's much more recent that sway: it was too high to just be by chance. Eyecandy is important, and so is flexibility: check https://github.com/end-4/dots-hyprland https://github.com/end-4/dots-hyprland and you'll see very different styles made from the same hyprland that I use in "each window is fullscreen" mode. But to stay with a desktop, you've got to integrate it to your workflow, and what made me stick to hyprland is that it's possible to define a keyboard oriented workflow, like I had on Windows
- ilyt 3y ago
  Is there any showcase that shows actual work rather than: * changing wallpapers * changing music * changing mouse cursor speed settings (why is that even in quick accessible panels, I've set it once 10 years ago and haven't changed it) ? Coz outside of being pretty it looks like worse traditional manager like xfce... I don't get the appeal.
  - csdvrx 3y ago
    > why is that even in quick accessible panels Different people like different things? FYI, there's no default panel in hyprland: if you want something you've got to configure it. ewww or waybar give you something like a dock or a taskbar, while wofi gives you menus. For wofi, I have configured the window key to open a textual list of all the apps I have install, so if I press Win it list them all, if I follow by vl it shows VLC as the only remaining entry: I can then start VLC by just hitting enter, which also makes this menu vanish as wofi runs in transparent mode over the top window. I don't like to do that often: if I find myself using something often, I assign it a number between 0 and 9 to have it as Win+number. > Is there any showcase that shows actual work Not any that I have bookmarked, because I'm used to hyprland and I wouldn't have ever thought about watching how other people use it. But here's an example from the last 30 seconds from my actual workflow where I'm using my own remapped shortcuts (some people may need F1, F2 etc to be actually doing their "function" but I don't, so I've remapped them to jump directly between desktop) I pressed F1 to go to desk 1 where wezterm is running, to check how some long running operation is going, then F2 to go back to edge to type this: I have different shortcuts for the desktop, like Win+PageUp and Win+PageDn configured to move to the next or previous one, but I seem to prefer one-key shortcuts to go directly to the one I want, so I've remapped Win+F1 to instead "transfer" a window to desk 1, say if I want something tiled next to the terminal. While I typed this message on HN I remember to do something, so I pressed Win-Grave to open zimwiki in "floating" mode above the edge browser full screen, started taking my note, then I realized I needed to test something in a terminal, so I quickly spawned a foot terminal next to the floating zim with Win+Enter (a shortcut I've setup to get myself a terminal immediately) and used Win+Left to change the splitting ratio to get more room for the terminal, doing Win+Tab to move the focus back and forth between the terminal and zim. When I was done, I pressed Control-D to close my terminal, and Win-Grave to stash away as I may have to take more notes later. This is how I use hyprland, like how I was using Windows 11 before, with some custom AutoHotKey scripts to be a keyboard-only workflow. I mostly use full screen apps and spend 95% of my time between the terminal and the browser, which I each prefer fullscreen on their own desktop Sometimes I do tiling: when I tile something next to the terminal, I have wezterm running on my desktop 1: so F1 takes me there, where I will start whatever I need with Win + the first letter of the name. Win+J change the tiling, so if there're only 2 windows tiled vertically, they become tiled horizontally The rare few times I need a mouse experience, Win+F "floats" the window which is more like what you get from a traditional window manager: I can press on the hotkey + use the mouse to resize or move the window to a specific part of the screen, but I don't think I've done that in the past weeks or even the past months!

nerdix 3y ago

I use hyprland too. macOS's full screen mode is like the experience of using hyprland. It is vastly inferior. Yes, it hides window decorations and that is good. But its lacking shortcuts to switch directly to a particular workspace (so it lacks the Win + 1 feature that you are talking about, you can only transition between workspaces with a keyboard in order with ctrl + left or right)

csdvrx 3y ago
> it lacks the Win + 1 feature that you are talking about, you can only transition between workspaces with a keyboard in order with ctrl + left or right I hate it when I can't change the shortcut to be what *I* like, so I'm not a big fan of macOS either. hyprland looks better and that's important, but to me its #1 strength is how you can use it as a solid base to build your workflow, with whatever keyboard or mouse shortcuts or even a mix of them (like Win + mouse dragging is often configured to reposition windows in non-tiling mode)

jwells89 3y ago

I’ve taken a peek at hyprland in the past and it looks great for what it is, but tiling is not my cup of tea, and even if it can be configured to float everything by default its design isn’t floating-first.

csdvrx 3y ago
I rarely use tiling: I spend most of my time on either a browser or a terminal, so they are each running fullscreen on their own desktop hyprland mostly gives me the "glue" to map the keyboard shortcuts to switch between the browser and the terminal, to start other programs with wofi.