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Sounds like shuffling a deck of cards and then selecting cards from the deck at random. It's redundant. Fraudulent fraud gets collapsed into just fraud, which i

Sounds like shuffling a deck of cards and then selecting cards from the deck at random. It's redundant. Fraudulent fraud gets collapsed into just fraud, which is what the customer wanted from the start.

hutzlibu 3y ago
If both believe in it and fulfil their bargain, it is not fraud. Fraud requires intention of missleading. Also, what most customers want, is emotional comfort. And whatever we think of it, it seems to work for them. Even though personally, I'll go with south parks take on it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0dZDnD_GI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0dZDnD_GI
- WheatMillington 3y ago
  Does it work for them "less" if the purported psychic doesn't believe?
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    If they find out, definitely. And if they don't find out, I would think yes, as they subconsciously probably notice some things are off with the intention of the "psychic".
pessimizer 3y ago
They paid for a psychic reading, and from someone who they thought was a psychic. They weren't paying for psychic powers to be real. If I buy a book on psychic readings, is it alright for them not to send it to me because psychic readings aren't real? Is it "redundant?"
- crazygringo 3y ago
  It's more like you ordered a book on Amazon, but it was shipped from Wal-Mart instead. You still got your book. These people got their psychic readings. Just from a different source. Can you prove that the different source was of lower quality, for something that you can't prove quality for in the first place? It reminds me of famous artists where a lot of their work was done by assistants. Should I be able to sue a celebrity when their autobiography was ghostwritten but that wasn't publicly disclosed? Or when their tweet is written by a publicist? We seem to have decided the answer to that is no.
  - vorpalhex 3y ago
    Ah but psychic readings are personal comissions, not mass marketable! I ordered a cat scratcher. Cat scratchers are perfectly commodity things.. but mine wasn't. I ordered a handmade one. What I got shipped was a repurchase from Wayfair. I sent a single picture of the box and got a full refund. Yes, I got a cat scratcher but the handmade part was a material term of the deal. Paying someone to do a psychic reading is not buying a paragraph of text. You are buying an action. If you hire someone to tweet original tweets on your behalf and they just use a bot to retweet random clever sayings... they have in fact engaged in fraud!
    - evandale 3y ago
      Nobody has the ability to give you a psychic reading because psychic readings don't exist. I'm glad you brought up the paragraph of text because are literally buying a fictional paragraph. It can say anything and will still be a psychic reading. I'm struggling to understand how you can equate something that isn't real and something that's tangible.
      - vorpalhex 3y ago
        I pay you to produce for me a drawing of a Blorgen. You think on this for a while and decide that instead of drawing a Blorgen, you are going to grab a random Google image and send it to me. That's fraud. But let's say you draw the Blorgen instead. What's a Blorgen? No idea. Maybe you draw a lizard person. Maybe it's an abstract piece. Even if you and I disagree on what a Blorgen is, the situation is no longer fraud. If I hire you to do a psychic reading for me and you decide to get naked, walk around a bonfire 3 times and then stream of consciousness pronounce whatever is in your head.. great. You did the commission. Even if your psychic fortune is "electric badgers like rock n roll radio", man, I have some issues but fraud ain't one.
        evandale 3y ago
        Blorgen is clearly an interpretation of something and a tangible piece of art. Psychic predictions are never psychic predictions because psychic predictions don't exist. Nobody in the universe can give you a psychic prediction.
- cosmotic 3y ago
  There aren't real psychics nor real psychic readings
- coldtea 3y ago
  >They paid for a psychic reading And they got one. >and from someone who they thought was a psychic And that person provided one. How he procured it should be of no consequence.
  - loktarogar 3y ago
    > How he procured it should be of no consequence The procurement was part of the agreed-upon conditions of the sale, so it is.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      Where were those conditions "agreed upon"? Who signed that contract?
      - loktarogar 3y ago
        If you advertise personal readings for me by Barack Obama, and I buy a personal reading from Barack Obama, and I get a reading from someone who is not Barack Obama, the product delivered was not the product purchased. It doesn't matter that Barack is a certified reader, or that psychic readings are real or fake, or anything else - you didn't give me what I purchased. Sidenote, something doesn't have to be a formally-drafted lawyer contract to be a contract, either. It's just an agreement. Like one where I buy something you offer and I expect that to be the thing that you offered me
dmonitor 3y ago
not really. a “psychic reading” may not be supernatural, but it is still advice from a person. in this case they advertised advice from a specific person, but sold advice from a different person.

hutzlibu 3y ago

If both believe in it and fulfil their bargain, it is not fraud. Fraud requires intention of missleading. Also, what most customers want, is emotional comfort. And whatever we think of it, it seems to work for them. Even though personally, I'll go with south parks take on it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0dZDnD_GI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sH0dZDnD_GI

WheatMillington 3y ago
Does it work for them "less" if the purported psychic doesn't believe?
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  If they find out, definitely. And if they don't find out, I would think yes, as they subconsciously probably notice some things are off with the intention of the "psychic".

pessimizer 3y ago

They paid for a psychic reading, and from someone who they thought was a psychic. They weren't paying for psychic powers to be real. If I buy a book on psychic readings, is it alright for them not to send it to me because psychic readings aren't real? Is it "redundant?"

crazygringo 3y ago
It's more like you ordered a book on Amazon, but it was shipped from Wal-Mart instead. You still got your book. These people got their psychic readings. Just from a different source. Can you prove that the different source was of lower quality, for something that you can't prove quality for in the first place? It reminds me of famous artists where a lot of their work was done by assistants. Should I be able to sue a celebrity when their autobiography was ghostwritten but that wasn't publicly disclosed? Or when their tweet is written by a publicist? We seem to have decided the answer to that is no.
- vorpalhex 3y ago
  Ah but psychic readings are personal comissions, not mass marketable! I ordered a cat scratcher. Cat scratchers are perfectly commodity things.. but mine wasn't. I ordered a handmade one. What I got shipped was a repurchase from Wayfair. I sent a single picture of the box and got a full refund. Yes, I got a cat scratcher but the handmade part was a material term of the deal. Paying someone to do a psychic reading is not buying a paragraph of text. You are buying an action. If you hire someone to tweet original tweets on your behalf and they just use a bot to retweet random clever sayings... they have in fact engaged in fraud!
  - evandale 3y ago
    Nobody has the ability to give you a psychic reading because psychic readings don't exist. I'm glad you brought up the paragraph of text because are literally buying a fictional paragraph. It can say anything and will still be a psychic reading. I'm struggling to understand how you can equate something that isn't real and something that's tangible.
    - vorpalhex 3y ago
      I pay you to produce for me a drawing of a Blorgen. You think on this for a while and decide that instead of drawing a Blorgen, you are going to grab a random Google image and send it to me. That's fraud. But let's say you draw the Blorgen instead. What's a Blorgen? No idea. Maybe you draw a lizard person. Maybe it's an abstract piece. Even if you and I disagree on what a Blorgen is, the situation is no longer fraud. If I hire you to do a psychic reading for me and you decide to get naked, walk around a bonfire 3 times and then stream of consciousness pronounce whatever is in your head.. great. You did the commission. Even if your psychic fortune is "electric badgers like rock n roll radio", man, I have some issues but fraud ain't one.
      - evandale 3y ago
        Blorgen is clearly an interpretation of something and a tangible piece of art. Psychic predictions are never psychic predictions because psychic predictions don't exist. Nobody in the universe can give you a psychic prediction.
cosmotic 3y ago
There aren't real psychics nor real psychic readings
coldtea 3y ago
>They paid for a psychic reading And they got one. >and from someone who they thought was a psychic And that person provided one. How he procured it should be of no consequence.
- loktarogar 3y ago
  > How he procured it should be of no consequence The procurement was part of the agreed-upon conditions of the sale, so it is.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    Where were those conditions "agreed upon"? Who signed that contract?
    - loktarogar 3y ago
      If you advertise personal readings for me by Barack Obama, and I buy a personal reading from Barack Obama, and I get a reading from someone who is not Barack Obama, the product delivered was not the product purchased. It doesn't matter that Barack is a certified reader, or that psychic readings are real or fake, or anything else - you didn't give me what I purchased. Sidenote, something doesn't have to be a formally-drafted lawyer contract to be a contract, either. It's just an agreement. Like one where I buy something you offer and I expect that to be the thing that you offered me

dmonitor 3y ago

not really. a “psychic reading” may not be supernatural, but it is still advice from a person. in this case they advertised advice from a specific person, but sold advice from a different person.