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I'm 200% convinced there are plenty of people out there who could easily be nerdsniped into building an open source dishwasher! Hackers get up to all kinds of s

I'm 200% convinced there are plenty of people out there who could easily be nerdsniped into building an open source dishwasher! Hackers get up to all kinds of stuff that doesn't seem traditionally fun!

999900000999 3y ago
Does QAing Dishwasher firmware sound fun to you ? Even if you imagine software development to be generally fun, even the mundane, the rest of the workflow can be God awful boring. While Communism is a cool idea , it never works since you need incentives to motivate people.
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  Funny you say that because the most popular 3D printer firmwares are open source. Does QA’ing 3D printer firmware sound fun to you? No? Great well you don’t have to do that someone else is literally doing that right now because they thought it was fun. By the way this is a decent job for an apprentice under supervision. It’s a good way to learn with minimal risk and young people are often willing to do this kind of thing. Then the veteran comes in and makes a few improvements to the QA system and hopefully it’s good for a while.
  - dminvs 3y ago
    printers can’t flood your kitchen
    - p1necone 3y ago
      They can totally set it on fire and poison you with toxic fumes though.
      - jaggederest 3y ago
        don't forget about shocks and pinch/crush hazards, hooray
    - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
      right they just burn people's house down
    - picadores 3y ago
      Concrete printers can?
  - xormapmap 3y ago
    Nobody is QAing 3D printer firmware because they thought it would be fun. They are doing it because their printer crashed and now they can no longer print.
    - spencerflem 3y ago
      presumably hackers use dishwashers too
    - asyx 3y ago
      But we're talking here about thermal runaway protection. Not "my prints are ugly let me fix this". In the same way you want your 3D printer to not burn your house down you want your dishwasher to not flood your house. Sounds very similar to me.
- typon 3y ago
  Working on a Word Processor, especially one that is mature and stable, sounds like the most boring, awful thing I could work on. However, here are the list of release notes for LibreOffice: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/ https://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/ You can see man bugs were fixed in the latest release. What may sound dreadful to you might be interesting for someone else. While capitalism sounds nice in practice, it results in the destruction of the planet because the profit motive eats everything alive and leaves nothing behind for future generations.
  - Delk 3y ago
    The majority of those bug fixes are from people who probably were paid by companies to work on them. A couple of people with a bunch of fixes attributed to them seem to work for Red Hat, and several contributors have Collabora email addresses. A fair bunch of fixes would seem to be from members of a LibreOffice team at some company (based on bugzilla comments and email addresses). One contributor seems to be from a company that does consulting related to LibreOffice. A few fixes are from people registered with what look like private email addresses or with email addresses associated with the LibreOffice or other open source projects themselves. But they seem to be a minority. That doesn't mean it can't be interesting to those people, or to many people, but it also doesn't mean most of the fixes were motivated by that alone. (Also, fixing bugs is different than QA.) > While capitalism sounds nice in practice, it results in the destruction of the planet because the profit motive eats everything alive and leaves nothing behind for future generations. As always, that doesn't mean communism (or some other supposed polar opposite) would work. Or that those are the two possible binary options.
TylerE 3y ago
Doing something as a hobby as very different from doing what someone tells you to do, how and when they tell you to do it.
- TaylorAlexander 3y ago
  This is true but what does this have to do with this idea? Who says we need bosses and overseers to get stuff done? See: https://vorondesign.com/ https://vorondesign.com/ "The original goal of the VORON project, back in 2015, was to create a no-compromise 3D printer that was fun to assemble and a joy to use. It had to be quiet, clean, pretty, and continue to operate 24 hours a day without requiring constant fiddling. In short a true home micro-manufacturing machine without a hefty price tag. It took over a year in development, with every part being redesigned, stress tested and optimized. Shortly after the release a vibrant community formed around the project and continues to grow today. This community is part of what makes VORON such a special experience. What was once a one-person operation has grown into a small tight-knit group of engineers united under a common design ethos. We're dedicated to creating production-quality printers you can assemble in your kitchen. It's this passion and dedication that drive us to push the boundaries just a little further. We build space shuttles with gardening tools so anyone can have a space shuttle of their own. Welcome to VORON Design"
  - TylerE 3y ago
    Respectfully, 3d printers are a special case. People aren’t building a washing machine at home. That takes industrial machinery.
    - beckingz 3y ago
      If I could pay rent and feed myself regardless, I would design this out of spite.
      - TylerE 3y ago
        Design is the easy bit. It's getting engineers to do the boring stuff like making sure it doesn't burn your house down in the middle of the night.
TaylorAlexander 3y ago
Yeah easily me.
midoridensha 3y ago
If a group of nerds builds an open-source dishwasher as a hobby, the final product will be something too esoteric and difficult to use for regular people.
- mysterydip 3y ago
  "if you don't like it, you're welcome to fix it and create a pull request."
askvictor 3y ago
Yeah, for sure. The only issue would be that I wouldn't be as interested in building an open source dishwasher for every possible (or even the most common) users/use cases, but for myself.
- ben0x539 3y ago
  I figure someone is going to come along who's excited about adapting the dishwasher for their own use cases, since they also don't want to do dishes. Maybe they'll even have it support their social circle's use cases so they never have to help doing their friends' dishes after being over for dinner again. It's bound to happen at some point, right? There's a lot of people doing dishes.
  - drekipus 3y ago
    > It's bound to happen at some point, right? No. As a hardware hacker myself, the benefit and draw is the fun of it, I don't want to have to hack my own dishwasher and make it work to my requirements, not maintain it. Hackers usually write very bad code, in case you weren't aware
- cranberryturkey 3y ago
  That's exactly why Torvols wrote the first linux kernel. He wanted it for himself, and decided to give the source away so people would contribute. I don't think this is limited to just digital items like software. I would absolutely use an open source dishwasher if I could ship my custom design to a manufacturer to build.
- picadores 3y ago
  Luck us, templatable CAD exists. Tailor the dishwashers to the end-users.

999900000999 3y ago

Does QAing Dishwasher firmware sound fun to you ? Even if you imagine software development to be generally fun, even the mundane, the rest of the workflow can be God awful boring. While Communism is a cool idea , it never works since you need incentives to motivate people.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
Funny you say that because the most popular 3D printer firmwares are open source. Does QA’ing 3D printer firmware sound fun to you? No? Great well you don’t have to do that someone else is literally doing that right now because they thought it was fun. By the way this is a decent job for an apprentice under supervision. It’s a good way to learn with minimal risk and young people are often willing to do this kind of thing. Then the veteran comes in and makes a few improvements to the QA system and hopefully it’s good for a while.
- dminvs 3y ago
  printers can’t flood your kitchen
  - p1necone 3y ago
    They can totally set it on fire and poison you with toxic fumes though.
    - jaggederest 3y ago
      don't forget about shocks and pinch/crush hazards, hooray
  - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    right they just burn people's house down
  - picadores 3y ago
    Concrete printers can?
- xormapmap 3y ago
  Nobody is QAing 3D printer firmware because they thought it would be fun. They are doing it because their printer crashed and now they can no longer print.
  - spencerflem 3y ago
    presumably hackers use dishwashers too
  - asyx 3y ago
    But we're talking here about thermal runaway protection. Not "my prints are ugly let me fix this". In the same way you want your 3D printer to not burn your house down you want your dishwasher to not flood your house. Sounds very similar to me.
typon 3y ago
Working on a Word Processor, especially one that is mature and stable, sounds like the most boring, awful thing I could work on. However, here are the list of release notes for LibreOffice: https://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/ https://www.libreoffice.org/download/release-notes/ You can see man bugs were fixed in the latest release. What may sound dreadful to you might be interesting for someone else. While capitalism sounds nice in practice, it results in the destruction of the planet because the profit motive eats everything alive and leaves nothing behind for future generations.
- Delk 3y ago
  The majority of those bug fixes are from people who probably were paid by companies to work on them. A couple of people with a bunch of fixes attributed to them seem to work for Red Hat, and several contributors have Collabora email addresses. A fair bunch of fixes would seem to be from members of a LibreOffice team at some company (based on bugzilla comments and email addresses). One contributor seems to be from a company that does consulting related to LibreOffice. A few fixes are from people registered with what look like private email addresses or with email addresses associated with the LibreOffice or other open source projects themselves. But they seem to be a minority. That doesn't mean it can't be interesting to those people, or to many people, but it also doesn't mean most of the fixes were motivated by that alone. (Also, fixing bugs is different than QA.) > While capitalism sounds nice in practice, it results in the destruction of the planet because the profit motive eats everything alive and leaves nothing behind for future generations. As always, that doesn't mean communism (or some other supposed polar opposite) would work. Or that those are the two possible binary options.

TylerE 3y ago

Doing something as a hobby as very different from doing what someone tells you to do, how and when they tell you to do it.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
This is true but what does this have to do with this idea? Who says we need bosses and overseers to get stuff done? See: https://vorondesign.com/ https://vorondesign.com/ "The original goal of the VORON project, back in 2015, was to create a no-compromise 3D printer that was fun to assemble and a joy to use. It had to be quiet, clean, pretty, and continue to operate 24 hours a day without requiring constant fiddling. In short a true home micro-manufacturing machine without a hefty price tag. It took over a year in development, with every part being redesigned, stress tested and optimized. Shortly after the release a vibrant community formed around the project and continues to grow today. This community is part of what makes VORON such a special experience. What was once a one-person operation has grown into a small tight-knit group of engineers united under a common design ethos. We're dedicated to creating production-quality printers you can assemble in your kitchen. It's this passion and dedication that drive us to push the boundaries just a little further. We build space shuttles with gardening tools so anyone can have a space shuttle of their own. Welcome to VORON Design"
- TylerE 3y ago
  Respectfully, 3d printers are a special case. People aren’t building a washing machine at home. That takes industrial machinery.
  - beckingz 3y ago
    If I could pay rent and feed myself regardless, I would design this out of spite.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      Design is the easy bit. It's getting engineers to do the boring stuff like making sure it doesn't burn your house down in the middle of the night.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

Yeah easily me.

midoridensha 3y ago

If a group of nerds builds an open-source dishwasher as a hobby, the final product will be something too esoteric and difficult to use for regular people.

mysterydip 3y ago
"if you don't like it, you're welcome to fix it and create a pull request."

askvictor 3y ago

Yeah, for sure. The only issue would be that I wouldn't be as interested in building an open source dishwasher for every possible (or even the most common) users/use cases, but for myself.

ben0x539 3y ago
I figure someone is going to come along who's excited about adapting the dishwasher for their own use cases, since they also don't want to do dishes. Maybe they'll even have it support their social circle's use cases so they never have to help doing their friends' dishes after being over for dinner again. It's bound to happen at some point, right? There's a lot of people doing dishes.
- drekipus 3y ago
  > It's bound to happen at some point, right? No. As a hardware hacker myself, the benefit and draw is the fun of it, I don't want to have to hack my own dishwasher and make it work to my requirements, not maintain it. Hackers usually write very bad code, in case you weren't aware
cranberryturkey 3y ago
That's exactly why Torvols wrote the first linux kernel. He wanted it for himself, and decided to give the source away so people would contribute. I don't think this is limited to just digital items like software. I would absolutely use an open source dishwasher if I could ship my custom design to a manufacturer to build.
picadores 3y ago
Luck us, templatable CAD exists. Tailor the dishwashers to the end-users.