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Another example of this was Millikan's determination of the fundamental electric charge (of one electron). The first, famous experiment had a major error; and s
by perihelions 3y ago
Another example of this was Millikan's determination of the fundamental electric charge (of one electron). The first, famous experiment had a major error; and subsequently everyone who independently replicated the experiment, for two decades, came up with the same error, in the same direction. The people whose experiments got the correct value probably self-selected themselves out of publishing it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_drop_experiment?useskin=vector#Millikan's_experiment_as_an_example_of_psychological_effects_in_scientific_methodology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_drop_experiment?useskin=ve... ("Millikan's experiment as an example of psychological effects in scientific methodology")
- Analemma_ 3y agoRoom-temperature superconductors have so many urgent commercial uses that if this fake, I doubt the error will persist for that long. There's too much at stake.
- mrguyorama 3y agoThere's also probably a hundred labs skipping over replication completely to try and beat someone else out on a random permutation of these materials and methods and hoping to get lucky.
- gus_massa 3y agoYes, "replication" in this experiments usualy means foloeing the oficial recipe and many small variants. Publishing an exact reproduction is difficult, but a new record a few degrees hotter is easy. (And even another variant with a lower temperature and more tolerance for current or magnetic field can be published with the right text.)
- lolc 3y agoI can't see why they'd skip replication given the uncertain status of the original process. They'd try to replicate as closely as possible, confirm they have a superconducting material, then they'd branch out from their established process. Starting from a variation means they don't know whether it doesn't work because of the variation or because it doesn't work at all.
- stu255 3y agoI hear some very clever labs can do more than one thing at a time.
- curiousObject 3y agoThat’s not unreasonable, but the high-risk, high-reward approach would be to let researchers elsewhere do basic verification, while you try to leap a step ahead of them by going directly to derivative variations. Abandon the work if nobody can replicate LK-99 within a few weeks and you haven’t really lost out badly.
- cryptonector 3y agoBoiling-water-temperature superconductors. Pinch me, it feels like a dream.
- IX-103 3y agoIt is interesting to note that while the error was in the same direction, the magnitude of the error decreased in subsequent studies. No one expects to get exactly the same result, so there was room for variation towards the true result.