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> So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate Psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? That just depends on what evidence you do, or

> So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate Psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? That just depends on what evidence you do, or do not believe. Depending on your selection, and number of explanations may make sense. > In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge Personally, I'd believe UFOs were all fake/mistakes before I believed it was real technology held by any government. > The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). NUFORC has a kaggle dataset in fact: https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings

srvmshr 3y ago
> It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). I have lived/ been a citizen/ married to someone from each of these listed places. UFO reference in Hinduism is zero. I am practicing Hindu - I can vouch with 100% certainty. My wife is devout Buddhist/ formerly Christian & she confirms there is nothing in their scripture. I cannot engage any of these answers in good faith of critical thinking, as whenever there is a question of evidence, it is either trust-me-bro or it-is-classified
- BobbyJo 3y ago
  I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less".
  - srvmshr 3y ago
    > I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. Kaggle competition is a supporting evidence for you? > And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Those were depicted as chariots mostly drawn by flying horses or elephants in Ramayana & Mahabharata. Unless you consider flying horses as aliens. Also, these were written as poetic verses with generous doses of imagination. > Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less". Let me help by stating: There is a ton of dubious statements from many people which doesn't count as evidence (those testifying without shred of evidence to congress). More of he-said-she-said trust-me-bro. Hence why I asserted these aren't worth discussing anymore. And quoting them as support is not good faith in a scientific evidence-oriented discussion There are conspiracy theories & then there are conspiracy dogmas group of people fall trap to & blindly propagate, much like religion. Then usual responses to reasonable scientific queries become topics of (1) our science isn't developed enough (2) godly metaphysics isn't known enough (3) reasons of alien presence/ absence/ ambiguity aren't clear enough - despite strong evidence to the contrarian opinion.
    - BobbyJo 3y ago
      > Kaggle competition is a supporting evidence for you? No, but NUFORC is? > More of he-said-she-said trust-me-bro. Hence why I asserted these aren't worth discussing anymore You're more than welcome to stop discussing it then?
  - deadfoxygrandpa 3y ago
    dude, your kaggle thing literally only shows reports from the US, Canada, UK, Germany, and Australia. did you not even look at it or are you lying?
    - BobbyJo 3y ago
      There are 22k+ rows, and scrolling through the first few hundred I see Lithuania, Sweden, Denmark, Japan, and Peru. I'm not sure why you're dedicated to the idea that no other countries having UFO sightings. Even if it was just clutter and balloons, it seems reasonable for people all over the world to make mistakes and thing something mundane is fantastic. It doesn't seem like a very useful point in either direction of the discussion.

srvmshr 3y ago

> It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). I have lived/ been a citizen/ married to someone from each of these listed places. UFO reference in Hinduism is zero. I am practicing Hindu - I can vouch with 100% certainty. My wife is devout Buddhist/ formerly Christian & she confirms there is nothing in their scripture. I cannot engage any of these answers in good faith of critical thinking, as whenever there is a question of evidence, it is either trust-me-bro or it-is-classified

BobbyJo 3y ago
I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less".
- srvmshr 3y ago
  > I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. Kaggle competition is a supporting evidence for you? > And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Those were depicted as chariots mostly drawn by flying horses or elephants in Ramayana & Mahabharata. Unless you consider flying horses as aliens. Also, these were written as poetic verses with generous doses of imagination. > Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less". Let me help by stating: There is a ton of dubious statements from many people which doesn't count as evidence (those testifying without shred of evidence to congress). More of he-said-she-said trust-me-bro. Hence why I asserted these aren't worth discussing anymore. And quoting them as support is not good faith in a scientific evidence-oriented discussion There are conspiracy theories & then there are conspiracy dogmas group of people fall trap to & blindly propagate, much like religion. Then usual responses to reasonable scientific queries become topics of (1) our science isn't developed enough (2) godly metaphysics isn't known enough (3) reasons of alien presence/ absence/ ambiguity aren't clear enough - despite strong evidence to the contrarian opinion.
  - BobbyJo 3y ago
    > Kaggle competition is a supporting evidence for you? No, but NUFORC is? > More of he-said-she-said trust-me-bro. Hence why I asserted these aren't worth discussing anymore You're more than welcome to stop discussing it then?
- deadfoxygrandpa 3y ago
  dude, your kaggle thing literally only shows reports from the US, Canada, UK, Germany, and Australia. did you not even look at it or are you lying?
  - BobbyJo 3y ago
    There are 22k+ rows, and scrolling through the first few hundred I see Lithuania, Sweden, Denmark, Japan, and Peru. I'm not sure why you're dedicated to the idea that no other countries having UFO sightings. Even if it was just clutter and balloons, it seems reasonable for people all over the world to make mistakes and thing something mundane is fantastic. It doesn't seem like a very useful point in either direction of the discussion.