At a high level: Progressive - a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas Conservative - a person who is averse to change and hol

At a high level: Progressive - a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas Conservative - a person who is averse to change and holds traditional values And now if we drill in, we get a problem. Traditional values - long-standing beliefs, customs, and practices passed down through generations within a particular culture or society, often reflecting moral, ethical, or religious principles Problem number 1, different conservative hold different set of traditional values. To be conservative kind of requires some level of social hegemony, where everyone holds the same traditional values. Liberal - 1. a supporter of policies that promote social welfare. 2. a supporter of a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise. Problem number 2, there are now two definition of liberal ideas. One are geared towars social welfare. The other towards democracy and individual liberty. This makes it that, all conversation that stays high level, and talks about clusters as conservatives and progressives, to me, is misconstrued, and confusing, because the subject could dramatically be different. Are we discussing Judeo-Christian values, gender roles, etc. ? Are we discussing the need for social welfare, the importance of democracy, the value of individual rights? It all gets conflated in a way that simply divides people based on labels, not substance.