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The serious question that arises from your argument is, should we apply this stance to all parts of life. Should drivers loose their licence indefinitely if the

The serious question that arises from your argument is, should we apply this stance to all parts of life. Should drivers loose their licence indefinitely if they drive to fast or park wrong? Should we chop of the hand of thieves (or maybe forbid them to enter any stores)?

moritzwarhier 3y ago
It depends, better comparison would be the test drive where you acquire your license (sry, can't find the word, not a native speaker). Since it's about exams, right? I'd say, at school tolerance is appropriate, but at university deliberate and definite cheating justifies at least being recorded like a triple-fail at that particular exam IMO. Which in Europe, AfAIK would mean being "expelled" from your main course if it's a mandatory exam. Not sure if all the details are right but I am all for harsh penalties for certain kinds or cheating in high-stakes situations. With "high stakes", I particularly mean things like university exams or scientifc publications, not every violation of the ethical and/or formal rule sets of society in general. Another example would be a physician who was caught doing something that intentionally and significantly violates the rule set for physicians, endangering his patients: it's not negligience, it's malicious.
Gibbon1 3y ago
The difference is a college degree is a cert issued by the state. It's not unfair for part of the cert is the presumption that the person is honest. And to deny cert to people known to be dishonest. Disclosure. I never cheated in college and have a hunch that people trying to make excuses for cheaters are cheaters themselves.
- mock-possum 3y ago
  Yeah same, it’s crazy to me that everyone would so casually make excuses for exposed liars.
tomjen3 3y ago
As a driver I make mistakes, which should be punished less harshly than outright freely chosen actions. I certainly expect more than losing my license if I run you over deliberately. As for thieves aren’t they normally banned from that store or chain?

moritzwarhier 3y ago

It depends, better comparison would be the test drive where you acquire your license (sry, can't find the word, not a native speaker). Since it's about exams, right? I'd say, at school tolerance is appropriate, but at university deliberate and definite cheating justifies at least being recorded like a triple-fail at that particular exam IMO. Which in Europe, AfAIK would mean being "expelled" from your main course if it's a mandatory exam. Not sure if all the details are right but I am all for harsh penalties for certain kinds or cheating in high-stakes situations. With "high stakes", I particularly mean things like university exams or scientifc publications, not every violation of the ethical and/or formal rule sets of society in general. Another example would be a physician who was caught doing something that intentionally and significantly violates the rule set for physicians, endangering his patients: it's not negligience, it's malicious.

Gibbon1 3y ago

The difference is a college degree is a cert issued by the state. It's not unfair for part of the cert is the presumption that the person is honest. And to deny cert to people known to be dishonest. Disclosure. I never cheated in college and have a hunch that people trying to make excuses for cheaters are cheaters themselves.

mock-possum 3y ago
Yeah same, it’s crazy to me that everyone would so casually make excuses for exposed liars.

tomjen3 3y ago

As a driver I make mistakes, which should be punished less harshly than outright freely chosen actions. I certainly expect more than losing my license if I run you over deliberately. As for thieves aren’t they normally banned from that store or chain?