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So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? In an unstable world, where power projection is

So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge. Create an elaborate story around unexplained IR camera observation. Potentially drop breadcrumbs & leave it ambiguous to project existence of superior otherworldly technology. I believe most of us agree at this point, whatever proof publicly exists isn't incontrovertible - but ambiguous enough to be an umbrella for other top secret projects. Aliens aren't selectively choosing US - if you pause & think. And if that should not happen, evidence of similar standing should pop up elsewhere as well. The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military, is somehow not matching up with critical reasoning. (And many of these militaries actually do have strong public outreach just like US af-mil) Leaving aside the military, clear photos have not showed up from the regular citizenry despite us having astrophotography capabilities in phones since sometime. The evidence or lack of it, isn't adding up

BobbyJo 3y ago
> So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate Psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? That just depends on what evidence you do, or do not believe. Depending on your selection, and number of explanations may make sense. > In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge Personally, I'd believe UFOs were all fake/mistakes before I believed it was real technology held by any government. > The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). NUFORC has a kaggle dataset in fact: https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings
- srvmshr 3y ago
  > It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). I have lived/ been a citizen/ married to someone from each of these listed places. UFO reference in Hinduism is zero. I am practicing Hindu - I can vouch with 100% certainty. My wife is devout Buddhist/ formerly Christian & she confirms there is nothing in their scripture. I cannot engage any of these answers in good faith of critical thinking, as whenever there is a question of evidence, it is either trust-me-bro or it-is-classified
  - BobbyJo 3y ago
    I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less".
    - srvmshr 3y ago
      > I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. Kaggle competition is a supporting evidence for you? > And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Those were depicted as chariots mostly drawn by flying horses or elephants in Ramayana & Mahabharata. Unless you consider flying horses as aliens. Also, these were written as poetic verses with generous doses of imagination. > Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less". Let me help by stating: There is a ton of dubious statements from many people which doesn't count as evidence (those testifying without shred of evidence to congress). More of he-said-she-said trust-me-bro. Hence why I asserted these aren't worth discussing anymore. And quoting them as support is not good faith in a scientific evidence-oriented discussion There are conspiracy theories & then there are conspiracy dogmas group of people fall trap to & blindly propagate, much like religion. Then usual responses to reasonable scientific queries become topics of (1) our science isn't developed enough (2) godly metaphysics isn't known enough (3) reasons of alien presence/ absence/ ambiguity aren't clear enough - despite strong evidence to the contrarian opinion.
potsandpans 3y ago
> So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity After watching the hearing today, I was starting to suspect that we're party to this psyops campaign. It's one of the most outlandish things I've seen in recent memory. All of the guys are credentialed and I didn't get the impression that anyone was grifting anything. They definitely think it's real. I suspect something is real, but I get the impression that the real thing is not what they think it is.

BobbyJo 3y ago

> So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate Psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? That just depends on what evidence you do, or do not believe. Depending on your selection, and number of explanations may make sense. > In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge Personally, I'd believe UFOs were all fake/mistakes before I believed it was real technology held by any government. > The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). NUFORC has a kaggle dataset in fact: https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings

srvmshr 3y ago
> It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). I have lived/ been a citizen/ married to someone from each of these listed places. UFO reference in Hinduism is zero. I am practicing Hindu - I can vouch with 100% certainty. My wife is devout Buddhist/ formerly Christian & she confirms there is nothing in their scripture. I cannot engage any of these answers in good faith of critical thinking, as whenever there is a question of evidence, it is either trust-me-bro or it-is-classified
- BobbyJo 3y ago
  I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less".
  - srvmshr 3y ago
    > I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. Kaggle competition is a supporting evidence for you? > And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Those were depicted as chariots mostly drawn by flying horses or elephants in Ramayana & Mahabharata. Unless you consider flying horses as aliens. Also, these were written as poetic verses with generous doses of imagination. > Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less". Let me help by stating: There is a ton of dubious statements from many people which doesn't count as evidence (those testifying without shred of evidence to congress). More of he-said-she-said trust-me-bro. Hence why I asserted these aren't worth discussing anymore. And quoting them as support is not good faith in a scientific evidence-oriented discussion There are conspiracy theories & then there are conspiracy dogmas group of people fall trap to & blindly propagate, much like religion. Then usual responses to reasonable scientific queries become topics of (1) our science isn't developed enough (2) godly metaphysics isn't known enough (3) reasons of alien presence/ absence/ ambiguity aren't clear enough - despite strong evidence to the contrarian opinion.

potsandpans 3y ago

> So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity After watching the hearing today, I was starting to suspect that we're party to this psyops campaign. It's one of the most outlandish things I've seen in recent memory. All of the guys are credentialed and I didn't get the impression that anyone was grifting anything. They definitely think it's real. I suspect something is real, but I get the impression that the real thing is not what they think it is.