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You are familiar with the Rwanda Plan, I take it? And maybe the Madagascar Plan?

PKop 3y ago
Yea a faction tried, but on balance of power were denied, and the overall effect was still a net increase of immigration. "net migration to the UK rose to a record high of around 504,000 in the year to June 2022, driven by an increase in the number of non-European Union nationals.[13] The government registered 45,755 people arriving by small boats in 2022, 60% higher than in 2021, according to the Home Office. That has led to a record backlog of 161,000 asylum cases." A right wing government in rule would not allow this. It happened and continues to, therefore a right wing government is not in power. >And maybe the Madagascar Plan? Right now. Obviously they have been in power in the past. If net foreign migration is positive by large margin, then clearly they are not effectively in power now. If the courts overrule any marginal plans to change this (which themselves don't affect the overall numbers materially) then they are not in power now.
- blipvert 3y ago
  The overall net numbers are intentional. If they wanted to decrease them they could do so by dealing with the backlog of claims and providing safe routes. But it’s the divisive propaganda that they want. Sod the humans.
  - PKop 3y ago
    If you want to define right wing rule as only "talking about doing right wing things" then ok. I define it as doing them and achieving them, which would amount to actually stopping immigration and starting deportations to equal net negative immigration. So as to your point exactly, the net positive numbers are intentional, or are not stoppable for whatever inconsequential right wing elements exist as they don't have the power to achieve right wing outcomes. The sum-total of political power when you mix all factions together, and judge things by results of what is happening, not only what is said, then constant positive net foreign migration and an overall consensus of this continuing doesn't support right wing government rule. >do so by dealing with the backlog, providing safe routes. If you mean safe route back to their country of origin, that is certainly a possible option that a right wing government might pursue. Since that isn't happening, there isn't a true right wing government in power and hasn't been for some time (have to include the courts here too). There are factions that maybe talk a good game, and don't move the needle on policy or even consensus rhetoric. That's not a point in favor of right wing politics being in power.

PKop 3y ago

Yea a faction tried, but on balance of power were denied, and the overall effect was still a net increase of immigration. "net migration to the UK rose to a record high of around 504,000 in the year to June 2022, driven by an increase in the number of non-European Union nationals.[13] The government registered 45,755 people arriving by small boats in 2022, 60% higher than in 2021, according to the Home Office. That has led to a record backlog of 161,000 asylum cases." A right wing government in rule would not allow this. It happened and continues to, therefore a right wing government is not in power. >And maybe the Madagascar Plan? Right now. Obviously they have been in power in the past. If net foreign migration is positive by large margin, then clearly they are not effectively in power now. If the courts overrule any marginal plans to change this (which themselves don't affect the overall numbers materially) then they are not in power now.

blipvert 3y ago
The overall net numbers are intentional. If they wanted to decrease them they could do so by dealing with the backlog of claims and providing safe routes. But it’s the divisive propaganda that they want. Sod the humans.
- PKop 3y ago
  If you want to define right wing rule as only "talking about doing right wing things" then ok. I define it as doing them and achieving them, which would amount to actually stopping immigration and starting deportations to equal net negative immigration. So as to your point exactly, the net positive numbers are intentional, or are not stoppable for whatever inconsequential right wing elements exist as they don't have the power to achieve right wing outcomes. The sum-total of political power when you mix all factions together, and judge things by results of what is happening, not only what is said, then constant positive net foreign migration and an overall consensus of this continuing doesn't support right wing government rule. >do so by dealing with the backlog, providing safe routes. If you mean safe route back to their country of origin, that is certainly a possible option that a right wing government might pursue. Since that isn't happening, there isn't a true right wing government in power and hasn't been for some time (have to include the courts here too). There are factions that maybe talk a good game, and don't move the needle on policy or even consensus rhetoric. That's not a point in favor of right wing politics being in power.