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I don't like this at all, especially in a world where we are finding out so many top scientists lied or fabricated data in their research. The PRESIDENT of Stan

I don't like this at all, especially in a world where we are finding out so many top scientists lied or fabricated data in their research. The PRESIDENT of Stanford just resigned! It's clear we cannot trust the institutional powers to self-regulate and do the right thing.

kneebonian 3y ago
DO NOT DENIGRATE THE SCIENCE! The Science is settled and the science is holy, it came down to us from the anointed scientists and anyone who disagrees with or questions the science is a dangerous heretic, wishing to spread misinformation and promote hate. You aren't qualified to ask questions, the science is settled the science has spoken, you are a lowly non-government non-scientist and you are not to get out of line. After all you know who else questions the science, climate deniers, and anti-vaxxers and Neo-Nazis and transphobes. So don't question the science it is settled, and you better no longer talk back to your betters.
- 128bytes 3y ago
  "They described the strange feeling of peace that came over them when they handled the Book of Science, the pleasure that it was to repeat certain statistics out of it, however little meaning those statistics conveyed to the outward ear, the ecstasy of touching an instrument, however unimportant, or of hearing new Scientific revelation, however superflous. "The Science," they exclaimed, "feeds us and protects us and elevates us; with it we speak to one another, with it we teach one another, in it is the totality of being. The Science is the friend of rationality and the enemy of superstition: the Science is omniscient, unquestioned; blessed is the Science." And before long this allocution was printed on the first page of the Book, and in subsequent editions the ritual swelled into a complicated system of praise and prayer." - A parody of The Machine Stops
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- monksy 3y ago
  That was the politicians who did that. They even disincentivized valid research and policies that would help. (I.e. testing strategies, masking, quality of masks, programs to get masks out, etc)
- vGPU 3y ago
  This is quite clearly a sarcastic response.
ajsnigrutin 3y ago
Yep, this will get downvoted, but during covid, A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true by the same authorities and scientists (expert groups, etc.), without any apology or even acknowledgement of "the past" and "the current truth". And I'm not talking about the 5g conspiracy theories, we started all this with "masks don't help".
- mitthrowaway2 3y ago
  That really shook my faith in institutions, and I had a lot more faith in institutions than most people do. Then we saw it again, with "inflation is transitory, we aren't even thinking about thinking about hiking interest rates...".
  - hellojesus 3y ago
    The inflation is translatory was a known lie by political nonpolitical entities though. They can't say the truth: the country is bankrupt and the only way to press the brakes is to jack rates to 30-70%, which will thusly destroy the economy. The other option is ww3 or debt default, in which case the US loses reserve status and all US living quality plummets to the dark ages.
- onion2k 3y ago
  A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true What that means is that people were sharing unproven things. Some of the things were later proven, and some weren't. Censoring everything until it's actually proven science is not a bad strategy when people are willing to inject themselves with bleach because they're so desperate for a cure.
  - ajsnigrutin 3y ago
    But gravity is not proven either, and a bunch of physics is just theories still. We don't censor those. Why should we censor lab leak theories? It was a valid theory even then and still is. I mean... to go to extreme, why should we censor reptilian 5g zuckerberg-is-a-robot theories at all, why censorship? People were spraying their houses with vinegar before too, and we didn't censor that, even if it wasn't proven either. On the other hand, we had real world data that vaccinated people "don't get sick", and we didn't censor that either: https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442 https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc... > And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data.

kneebonian 3y ago

DO NOT DENIGRATE THE SCIENCE! The Science is settled and the science is holy, it came down to us from the anointed scientists and anyone who disagrees with or questions the science is a dangerous heretic, wishing to spread misinformation and promote hate. You aren't qualified to ask questions, the science is settled the science has spoken, you are a lowly non-government non-scientist and you are not to get out of line. After all you know who else questions the science, climate deniers, and anti-vaxxers and Neo-Nazis and transphobes. So don't question the science it is settled, and you better no longer talk back to your betters.

128bytes 3y ago
"They described the strange feeling of peace that came over them when they handled the Book of Science, the pleasure that it was to repeat certain statistics out of it, however little meaning those statistics conveyed to the outward ear, the ecstasy of touching an instrument, however unimportant, or of hearing new Scientific revelation, however superflous. "The Science," they exclaimed, "feeds us and protects us and elevates us; with it we speak to one another, with it we teach one another, in it is the totality of being. The Science is the friend of rationality and the enemy of superstition: the Science is omniscient, unquestioned; blessed is the Science." And before long this allocution was printed on the first page of the Book, and in subsequent editions the ritual swelled into a complicated system of praise and prayer." - A parody of The Machine Stops
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monksy 3y ago
That was the politicians who did that. They even disincentivized valid research and policies that would help. (I.e. testing strategies, masking, quality of masks, programs to get masks out, etc)
vGPU 3y ago
This is quite clearly a sarcastic response.

ajsnigrutin 3y ago

Yep, this will get downvoted, but during covid, A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true by the same authorities and scientists (expert groups, etc.), without any apology or even acknowledgement of "the past" and "the current truth". And I'm not talking about the 5g conspiracy theories, we started all this with "masks don't help".

mitthrowaway2 3y ago
That really shook my faith in institutions, and I had a lot more faith in institutions than most people do. Then we saw it again, with "inflation is transitory, we aren't even thinking about thinking about hiking interest rates...".
- hellojesus 3y ago
  The inflation is translatory was a known lie by political nonpolitical entities though. They can't say the truth: the country is bankrupt and the only way to press the brakes is to jack rates to 30-70%, which will thusly destroy the economy. The other option is ww3 or debt default, in which case the US loses reserve status and all US living quality plummets to the dark ages.
onion2k 3y ago
A LOT of stuff got censored as "misinformation", that later got proved to be true What that means is that people were sharing unproven things. Some of the things were later proven, and some weren't. Censoring everything until it's actually proven science is not a bad strategy when people are willing to inject themselves with bleach because they're so desperate for a cure.
- ajsnigrutin 3y ago
  But gravity is not proven either, and a bunch of physics is just theories still. We don't censor those. Why should we censor lab leak theories? It was a valid theory even then and still is. I mean... to go to extreme, why should we censor reptilian 5g zuckerberg-is-a-robot theories at all, why censorship? People were spraying their houses with vinegar before too, and we didn't censor that, even if it wasn't proven either. On the other hand, we had real world data that vaccinated people "don't get sick", and we didn't censor that either: https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/transcript-rachel-maddow-show-3-29-21-n1262442 https://web.archive.org/web/20210402002315/https://www.msnbc... > And we have -- we can kind of almost see the end. We`re vaccinating so very fast, our data from the CDC today suggests, you know, that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don`t get sick, and that it`s not just in the clinical trials but it`s also in real world data.