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I can believe this. I have been a lifelong Democrat but find myself moving increasingly to the right since starting to work from home ~5 years ago. Work was ess

I can believe this. I have been a lifelong Democrat but find myself moving increasingly to the right since starting to work from home ~5 years ago. Work was essentially my only real in person interaction with people that aren't my wife and kids. Interesting point for introspection.

megabless123 3y ago
> find myself moving increasingly to the right since starting to work from home ~5 years ago. why?
- tekla 3y ago
  When the overton window shifts, and you don't shift with it, by definition you head to the right towards the center. I myself find myself careening to the right for a laundry list of reasons, and I live in a major city.
  - wonderwonder 3y ago
    This is my personal view of my rightward shift as well
- wonderwonder 3y ago
  I feel like the left has moved very far left and I'm still where I started. I don't like most Republican politicians on a personal level but a lot of the policies being put forward by the left involve stripping parental rights and allowing for children to be taken based on political ideals and for schools to keep secrets from parents. I am very much against this. I'm also not a fan of what seems to very much be open discrimination and degradation of straight white men. Respectfully , I post this not to get into an argument or to hear reasons why I'm wrong or a terrible person, so please refrain from the personal attacks those who choose to reply. I'm just answering the straight forward question of "why?" from my personal view of the world.
  - pstuart 3y ago
    > allowing for children to be taken based on political ideals Could you clarify this?
    - wonderwonder 3y ago
      I'm talking about states seizing kids if you wont allow children to begin transgender transitioning. Again I am not looking to get into an argument over the validity of "gender affirming care" for children. My view is that states should not be able to take children away for this or for schools to be able to keep this knowledge from parents. Others may disagree and that's fine, we are not going to solve it by screaming at each other on HN. The question was asked and I provided an answer.
      - pstuart 3y ago
        I haven't seen anything to that effect, only the opposite: https://newrepublic.com/post/172444/florida-passes-bill-allowing-trans-kids-taken-families https://newrepublic.com/post/172444/florida-passes-bill-allo... My search came up empty for examples of what you stated as a fact -- would you be so kind as to share a source that confirms your concern?
        wonderwonder 3y ago
        https://abc7.com/california-proposed-bill-gender-affirming-children/13377700/ https://abc7.com/california-proposed-bill-gender-affirming-c... "The initial legislation said courts deciding custody cases must consider whether each parent affirmed the child's gender. AB 957 encourages parents who support their TGI children by "making it clear that affirming a child's gender identity is part of the health, safety, and welfare of the child." It also allows courts to consider a parent's affirmation of their child's gender identity when making decisions about visitation and custody." https://abc7.com/jurupa-valley-high-school-teacher-fired-students-gender-identity/12950847/ https://abc7.com/jurupa-valley-high-school-teacher-fired-stu... "Jessica Tapia was fired for refusing to follow a state law that forbids teachers from talking to parents about their child's gender choices without consent from the student." https://nypost.com/2023/04/17/washington-bill-to-allow-medical-transgender-interventions-on-minors-without-parental-consent/ https://nypost.com/2023/04/17/washington-bill-to-allow-medic... "An act relating to supporting youth,” or Senate Bill 5599, allows host homes for runaway youth “to house youth without parental permission.” Furthermore, the host homes do not need to notify parents about where their kids are or if they are getting medical interventions “" Plenty more
nawgz 3y ago
What compels a person to move right in America these days? The Republican party is fiscally irresponsible and only knows how to play identity politics. Watching as a foreigner it's clear the Dems are a bad joke but the Republicans are actively hateful against large swaths of their own country
- mikecoles 3y ago
  Backwards, bud.
  - nawgz 3y ago
    I encourage you to look at a chart of the US deficit by administration if you’re challenging the fiscally responsible part. If you’re challenging the hateful part, you must be blind.
    - wonderwonder 3y ago
      I would argue that both sides are equally hateful and full of disdain for the other. The time of calm rational conversations where we agree to disagree has unfortunately passed. I can have a beer and calm conversation with anyone and have done it many times. I've even done it with open anti Semites and neo Nazis [it was a very good conversation] while I'm Jewish. These days instead of trying to understand where someone is coming from and having an open exchange of ideas, everyone just resorts to personal attacks and outrage. It's exhausting.
    - jpadkins 3y ago
      congress controls the budget, not the presidential administration. It is very common in US politics to have split branches (Republican president with Democrat control of the congress and vice versa) with only very brief periods where a single party controls both branches. I think the conclusion you can come to when looking at deficit spending by congressional control is neither party is fiscally responsible in the last 40 years.
    - mikecoles 3y ago
AbrahamParangi 3y ago
I think young democrats and old democrats are increasingly misaligned with each other. It seems to me that today if you are: - an old optimist you're liberal - an old pessimist you're conservative - a young optimist you're conservative - a young pessimist you're liberal I have no idea why or even if this is really true but it is my impression.
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daltont 3y ago
People living and interacting in close quarters require more "refereeing". Usually in the form of government, but can be something like neighborhood home owner's associations. Referees are never popular. Working from home can isolate you from people leading to mass media and social media becoming your window on the world. Such media tends to over focus on the scary or the outrageous.

megabless123 3y ago

> find myself moving increasingly to the right since starting to work from home ~5 years ago. why?

tekla 3y ago
When the overton window shifts, and you don't shift with it, by definition you head to the right towards the center. I myself find myself careening to the right for a laundry list of reasons, and I live in a major city.
- wonderwonder 3y ago
  This is my personal view of my rightward shift as well
wonderwonder 3y ago
I feel like the left has moved very far left and I'm still where I started. I don't like most Republican politicians on a personal level but a lot of the policies being put forward by the left involve stripping parental rights and allowing for children to be taken based on political ideals and for schools to keep secrets from parents. I am very much against this. I'm also not a fan of what seems to very much be open discrimination and degradation of straight white men. Respectfully , I post this not to get into an argument or to hear reasons why I'm wrong or a terrible person, so please refrain from the personal attacks those who choose to reply. I'm just answering the straight forward question of "why?" from my personal view of the world.
- pstuart 3y ago
  > allowing for children to be taken based on political ideals Could you clarify this?
  - wonderwonder 3y ago
    I'm talking about states seizing kids if you wont allow children to begin transgender transitioning. Again I am not looking to get into an argument over the validity of "gender affirming care" for children. My view is that states should not be able to take children away for this or for schools to be able to keep this knowledge from parents. Others may disagree and that's fine, we are not going to solve it by screaming at each other on HN. The question was asked and I provided an answer.
    - pstuart 3y ago
      I haven't seen anything to that effect, only the opposite: https://newrepublic.com/post/172444/florida-passes-bill-allowing-trans-kids-taken-families https://newrepublic.com/post/172444/florida-passes-bill-allo... My search came up empty for examples of what you stated as a fact -- would you be so kind as to share a source that confirms your concern?
      - wonderwonder 3y ago
        https://abc7.com/california-proposed-bill-gender-affirming-children/13377700/ https://abc7.com/california-proposed-bill-gender-affirming-c... "The initial legislation said courts deciding custody cases must consider whether each parent affirmed the child's gender. AB 957 encourages parents who support their TGI children by "making it clear that affirming a child's gender identity is part of the health, safety, and welfare of the child." It also allows courts to consider a parent's affirmation of their child's gender identity when making decisions about visitation and custody." https://abc7.com/jurupa-valley-high-school-teacher-fired-students-gender-identity/12950847/ https://abc7.com/jurupa-valley-high-school-teacher-fired-stu... "Jessica Tapia was fired for refusing to follow a state law that forbids teachers from talking to parents about their child's gender choices without consent from the student." https://nypost.com/2023/04/17/washington-bill-to-allow-medical-transgender-interventions-on-minors-without-parental-consent/ https://nypost.com/2023/04/17/washington-bill-to-allow-medic... "An act relating to supporting youth,” or Senate Bill 5599, allows host homes for runaway youth “to house youth without parental permission.” Furthermore, the host homes do not need to notify parents about where their kids are or if they are getting medical interventions “" Plenty more

nawgz 3y ago

What compels a person to move right in America these days? The Republican party is fiscally irresponsible and only knows how to play identity politics. Watching as a foreigner it's clear the Dems are a bad joke but the Republicans are actively hateful against large swaths of their own country

mikecoles 3y ago
Backwards, bud.
- nawgz 3y ago
  I encourage you to look at a chart of the US deficit by administration if you’re challenging the fiscally responsible part. If you’re challenging the hateful part, you must be blind.
  - wonderwonder 3y ago
    I would argue that both sides are equally hateful and full of disdain for the other. The time of calm rational conversations where we agree to disagree has unfortunately passed. I can have a beer and calm conversation with anyone and have done it many times. I've even done it with open anti Semites and neo Nazis [it was a very good conversation] while I'm Jewish. These days instead of trying to understand where someone is coming from and having an open exchange of ideas, everyone just resorts to personal attacks and outrage. It's exhausting.
  - jpadkins 3y ago
    congress controls the budget, not the presidential administration. It is very common in US politics to have split branches (Republican president with Democrat control of the congress and vice versa) with only very brief periods where a single party controls both branches. I think the conclusion you can come to when looking at deficit spending by congressional control is neither party is fiscally responsible in the last 40 years.
  - mikecoles 3y ago

AbrahamParangi 3y ago

I think young democrats and old democrats are increasingly misaligned with each other. It seems to me that today if you are: - an old optimist you're liberal - an old pessimist you're conservative - a young optimist you're conservative - a young pessimist you're liberal I have no idea why or even if this is really true but it is my impression.

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daltont 3y ago

People living and interacting in close quarters require more "refereeing". Usually in the form of government, but can be something like neighborhood home owner's associations. Referees are never popular. Working from home can isolate you from people leading to mass media and social media becoming your window on the world. Such media tends to over focus on the scary or the outrageous.