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It's a lot harder to view a group of people in a 1 dimensional view when you are constantly exposed to multidimensional interactions with them. This is why thi

It's a lot harder to view a group of people in a 1 dimensional view when you are constantly exposed to multidimensional interactions with them. This is why things like bussing works. Why inclusion is important and why representation is vital.

FredPret 3y ago
You like bussing because it creates lefties? I wonder about the premise of this idea as well. Cities are more expensive and cramped and have more fun things going on - the perfect mix for younger people, who also tend to be more progressive. A very large majority of homeowners with babies move out of dense cities. These also tend to be more conservative.
- mjmsmith 3y ago
  Do you have evidence that it's a "very large majority"? And what percentage leave because they can't afford it with children, not because they want to?
- foogazi 3y ago
  > A very large majority of homeowners with babies move out of dense cities. These also tend to be more conservative. Where they homeowners that moved out or moved out to be homeowners? Where they more conservative then loved out or became more conservative once they had babies? No one is static
JieJie 3y ago
I'm not disagreeing with you, just adding a historical perspective. I grew up in rural Indiana, during the implementation of bussing (https://blog.history.in.gov/tag/forced-busing/ https://blog.history.in.gov/tag/forced-busing/). It generated so much hatred in the people around me, and had a lot to do with my decision (as a queer white person) to get the hell out of Dodge, ASAP. In our middle school, Black boys were put into home economics class with the white girls, while white boys took shop class, where they would learn skills that they'd use to find jobs in the community. There was still segregation, lots of those boys ended up in "Special Education" where they'd be moved to outbuildings built for those "special classes". It was warehousing people, plain and simple. Some of those boys were my friends. They were intelligent, curious, funny, creative young men, who were fully aware their ticket had been punched. It was a waste of human potential that America is right to be ashamed and in denial of. Denial is one of the steps in the healing process. It's ugly, and everyone outside of the sufferer is right to have feelings about it. Sometimes it's frustration, sometimes pity, sometimes it's rage. "How can you be so blind?" we exclaim. I was a victim of the system, same as them, but I'll be damned if I don't have complicated feelings about it. We all do, I expect, though none of us feel quite free to express them in totality these days, if we had the safe space to express and process them. Instead, we have this. We live in a better world, though. Even Indianapolis and the rural towns that spoke and wheel connect to. Even people in Knox, one of the towns I grew up in, where the town's head of the KKK worked at the local Sears. We all grew up a little bit since then, though, maybe not so much as we still need and deserve. HN is best, not because of the articles that get posted, but because we have a place to discuss them, with honest inquiry. I'm grateful for it, and grateful for your comment. It is 100% true and it concurs with my anecdata.

FredPret 3y ago

You like bussing because it creates lefties? I wonder about the premise of this idea as well. Cities are more expensive and cramped and have more fun things going on - the perfect mix for younger people, who also tend to be more progressive. A very large majority of homeowners with babies move out of dense cities. These also tend to be more conservative.

mjmsmith 3y ago
Do you have evidence that it's a "very large majority"? And what percentage leave because they can't afford it with children, not because they want to?
foogazi 3y ago
> A very large majority of homeowners with babies move out of dense cities. These also tend to be more conservative. Where they homeowners that moved out or moved out to be homeowners? Where they more conservative then loved out or became more conservative once they had babies? No one is static

JieJie 3y ago

I'm not disagreeing with you, just adding a historical perspective. I grew up in rural Indiana, during the implementation of bussing (https://blog.history.in.gov/tag/forced-busing/ https://blog.history.in.gov/tag/forced-busing/). It generated so much hatred in the people around me, and had a lot to do with my decision (as a queer white person) to get the hell out of Dodge, ASAP. In our middle school, Black boys were put into home economics class with the white girls, while white boys took shop class, where they would learn skills that they'd use to find jobs in the community. There was still segregation, lots of those boys ended up in "Special Education" where they'd be moved to outbuildings built for those "special classes". It was warehousing people, plain and simple. Some of those boys were my friends. They were intelligent, curious, funny, creative young men, who were fully aware their ticket had been punched. It was a waste of human potential that America is right to be ashamed and in denial of. Denial is one of the steps in the healing process. It's ugly, and everyone outside of the sufferer is right to have feelings about it. Sometimes it's frustration, sometimes pity, sometimes it's rage. "How can you be so blind?" we exclaim. I was a victim of the system, same as them, but I'll be damned if I don't have complicated feelings about it. We all do, I expect, though none of us feel quite free to express them in totality these days, if we had the safe space to express and process them. Instead, we have this. We live in a better world, though. Even Indianapolis and the rural towns that spoke and wheel connect to. Even people in Knox, one of the towns I grew up in, where the town's head of the KKK worked at the local Sears. We all grew up a little bit since then, though, maybe not so much as we still need and deserve. HN is best, not because of the articles that get posted, but because we have a place to discuss them, with honest inquiry. I'm grateful for it, and grateful for your comment. It is 100% true and it concurs with my anecdata.