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> All arguments of the form "where is the evidence" are moot at this point, as there is a mountain of evidence. We haven't seen a single clear evidence yet. Th

> All arguments of the form "where is the evidence" are moot at this point, as there is a mountain of evidence. We haven't seen a single clear evidence yet. The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations. True color image corresponding of the same event do not exist. No two accounts of unidentified activities are also same with inconsistencies one observes when people extend stories based on tenuous observation/experience

BobbyJo 3y ago
> The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations One is a potential flare/focal aberration. The other two have no such explanation, and one of the three has radar tracking, followed by pilot interaction (David Fravor), then was videod by a second pilot on encounter (the video that was released. Keep in mind also that all three are very low quality versions of the originals.
- srvmshr 3y ago
  So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge. Create an elaborate story around unexplained IR camera observation. Potentially drop breadcrumbs & leave it ambiguous to project existence of superior otherworldly technology. I believe most of us agree at this point, whatever proof publicly exists isn't incontrovertible - but ambiguous enough to be an umbrella for other top secret projects. Aliens aren't selectively choosing US - if you pause & think. And if that should not happen, evidence of similar standing should pop up elsewhere as well. The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military, is somehow not matching up with critical reasoning. (And many of these militaries actually do have strong public outreach just like US af-mil) Leaving aside the military, clear photos have not showed up from the regular citizenry despite us having astrophotography capabilities in phones since sometime. The evidence or lack of it, isn't adding up
  - BobbyJo 3y ago
    > So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate Psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? That just depends on what evidence you do, or do not believe. Depending on your selection, and number of explanations may make sense. > In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge Personally, I'd believe UFOs were all fake/mistakes before I believed it was real technology held by any government. > The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). NUFORC has a kaggle dataset in fact: https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings
    - srvmshr 3y ago
      > It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). I have lived/ been a citizen/ married to someone from each of these listed places. UFO reference in Hinduism is zero. I am practicing Hindu - I can vouch with 100% certainty. My wife is devout Buddhist/ formerly Christian & she confirms there is nothing in their scripture. I cannot engage any of these answers in good faith of critical thinking, as whenever there is a question of evidence, it is either trust-me-bro or it-is-classified
      - BobbyJo 3y ago
        I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less".
        3y ago
- asfarley 3y ago
  There’s a pretty good chance the Nimitz incident was an intentional decoy self-test by the Navy IMO. Clouds give a radar return, so a projected plasma target would probably also give a radar return.
  - BobbyJo 3y ago
    I'd tend to agree, but the fact that we are inventing top secret technology and programs to explain a sighting is itself a sign of a problem worth investigating, no? Like, if that's a reasonable conclusion, then by leaving pilots misinformed we've effectively broadcast the tech to our adversaries. Maybe that was the intent, but it seems like a senselessly roundabout method if so.
    - asfarley 3y ago
      It seems to me that this stuff might be an intentional leak in order to distract from more earthy political issues, so they actually want it to get out into the news.

BobbyJo 3y ago

> The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations One is a potential flare/focal aberration. The other two have no such explanation, and one of the three has radar tracking, followed by pilot interaction (David Fravor), then was videod by a second pilot on encounter (the video that was released. Keep in mind also that all three are very low quality versions of the originals.

srvmshr 3y ago
So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge. Create an elaborate story around unexplained IR camera observation. Potentially drop breadcrumbs & leave it ambiguous to project existence of superior otherworldly technology. I believe most of us agree at this point, whatever proof publicly exists isn't incontrovertible - but ambiguous enough to be an umbrella for other top secret projects. Aliens aren't selectively choosing US - if you pause & think. And if that should not happen, evidence of similar standing should pop up elsewhere as well. The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military, is somehow not matching up with critical reasoning. (And many of these militaries actually do have strong public outreach just like US af-mil) Leaving aside the military, clear photos have not showed up from the regular citizenry despite us having astrophotography capabilities in phones since sometime. The evidence or lack of it, isn't adding up
- BobbyJo 3y ago
  > So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate Psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? That just depends on what evidence you do, or do not believe. Depending on your selection, and number of explanations may make sense. > In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge Personally, I'd believe UFOs were all fake/mistakes before I believed it was real technology held by any government. > The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). NUFORC has a kaggle dataset in fact: https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings
  - srvmshr 3y ago
    > It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen). I have lived/ been a citizen/ married to someone from each of these listed places. UFO reference in Hinduism is zero. I am practicing Hindu - I can vouch with 100% certainty. My wife is devout Buddhist/ formerly Christian & she confirms there is nothing in their scripture. I cannot engage any of these answers in good faith of critical thinking, as whenever there is a question of evidence, it is either trust-me-bro or it-is-classified
    - BobbyJo 3y ago
      I literally pointed you to a kaggle file of reports from a major UFO reporting organization. And with regard to Hindu UFOs, I was referring to Vimana. Not sure what you expect me to present as far as evidence goes when my point is "there is a ton of dubious evidence, but evidence none-the-less".
      - 3y ago
asfarley 3y ago
There’s a pretty good chance the Nimitz incident was an intentional decoy self-test by the Navy IMO. Clouds give a radar return, so a projected plasma target would probably also give a radar return.
- BobbyJo 3y ago
  I'd tend to agree, but the fact that we are inventing top secret technology and programs to explain a sighting is itself a sign of a problem worth investigating, no? Like, if that's a reasonable conclusion, then by leaving pilots misinformed we've effectively broadcast the tech to our adversaries. Maybe that was the intent, but it seems like a senselessly roundabout method if so.
  - asfarley 3y ago
    It seems to me that this stuff might be an intentional leak in order to distract from more earthy political issues, so they actually want it to get out into the news.