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For anyone left reading, let this be a live demonstration of how it can be a waste of time to try to convince someone on the Internet their thinking is wrong.

For anyone left reading, let this be a live demonstration of how it can be a waste of time to try to convince someone on the Internet their thinking is wrong. I'm pretty sure Zetice hasn't changed their mind on anything. I haven't really changed my mind on anything. I still think the things we linked to are valuable. For those of you who have filters that let the information through, I hope you find something useful. Read the paper Zetice linked to and see what questions you come up with. Or don't.

Zetice 3y ago
If you value your safety, ignore every word this person has written. Their way of thinking leaves them extremely vulnerable. You will be worse off if you think like they do.
- fantasticshower 3y ago
  Probably best to just ignore everything we've both said (including this advice). There haven't been any published and cited papers about this thread yet so it's too early to tell whether there's anything of value here.
  - Zetice 3y ago
    There have absolutely been published and cited papers in this conversation (I cited one and then cited a book with literally hundreds more), the fact that you don't realize that should make it clear to anyone left reading this what's going on.
    - fantasticshower 3y ago
      More examples of you assuming the worst about me. I'm well aware of what you posted. My sarcasm didn't go through. I mean no one has written a published and cited paper about our conversation. Therefore no one should make any decisions based on our discussion.
      - Zetice 3y ago
        It wasn't good sarcasm. There are published and highly cited papers people can read to learn more about what I am saying (and how what you're saying is nonsense). I am stunned sometimes when I discover how completely unaware people are of how to apply critical thinking in the modern world. It's second nature to me, but conversations like these make it abundantly clear it's not a universal skill.
        fantasticshower 3y ago
        It's so interesting to me that your conclusion about me is that I'm not a critical thinker. If you knew me in real life you'd rank me among the most critical thinkers you know (or my whole life experience is wrong). I think it speaks to the medium of communication we're using (you've misinterpreted things I've said as one problem with the medium), mixed with the topic being a very emotionally charged one.
        Zetice 3y ago
        You may think "critically" a great deal, but it's clear to me you don't know how to do it well, as source selection is a substantial part of successful analysis. For example, you believe "whole life experience" is something worth noting, as if you have no clue whatsoever about how bad humans are at self evaluation. Why wouldn't you know about that? What kind of "critical thinker" goes through life fully unaware of the impact that bias has on their ability to think critically? A bad critical thinker wouldn't understand this concept. A bad critical thinker would also not understand the value of avoiding sources from organizations misaligned to their incentives, because they'd know how powerful bad arguments can be, and their inherent limitations at recognizing them as a result of said bias. I don't know you. But I do know how you've behaved in this conversation, and if you think this conversation is representative of your method of evaluating ideas and arguments, then yeah I would consider your critical thinking skills to be limited, regardless of how much you engage them.
        fantasticshower 3y ago

Zetice 3y ago

If you value your safety, ignore every word this person has written. Their way of thinking leaves them extremely vulnerable. You will be worse off if you think like they do.

fantasticshower 3y ago
Probably best to just ignore everything we've both said (including this advice). There haven't been any published and cited papers about this thread yet so it's too early to tell whether there's anything of value here.
- Zetice 3y ago
  There have absolutely been published and cited papers in this conversation (I cited one and then cited a book with literally hundreds more), the fact that you don't realize that should make it clear to anyone left reading this what's going on.
  - fantasticshower 3y ago
    More examples of you assuming the worst about me. I'm well aware of what you posted. My sarcasm didn't go through. I mean no one has written a published and cited paper about our conversation. Therefore no one should make any decisions based on our discussion.
    - Zetice 3y ago
      It wasn't good sarcasm. There are published and highly cited papers people can read to learn more about what I am saying (and how what you're saying is nonsense). I am stunned sometimes when I discover how completely unaware people are of how to apply critical thinking in the modern world. It's second nature to me, but conversations like these make it abundantly clear it's not a universal skill.
      - fantasticshower 3y ago
        It's so interesting to me that your conclusion about me is that I'm not a critical thinker. If you knew me in real life you'd rank me among the most critical thinkers you know (or my whole life experience is wrong). I think it speaks to the medium of communication we're using (you've misinterpreted things I've said as one problem with the medium), mixed with the topic being a very emotionally charged one.
        Zetice 3y ago
        You may think "critically" a great deal, but it's clear to me you don't know how to do it well, as source selection is a substantial part of successful analysis. For example, you believe "whole life experience" is something worth noting, as if you have no clue whatsoever about how bad humans are at self evaluation. Why wouldn't you know about that? What kind of "critical thinker" goes through life fully unaware of the impact that bias has on their ability to think critically? A bad critical thinker wouldn't understand this concept. A bad critical thinker would also not understand the value of avoiding sources from organizations misaligned to their incentives, because they'd know how powerful bad arguments can be, and their inherent limitations at recognizing them as a result of said bias. I don't know you. But I do know how you've behaved in this conversation, and if you think this conversation is representative of your method of evaluating ideas and arguments, then yeah I would consider your critical thinking skills to be limited, regardless of how much you engage them.
        fantasticshower 3y ago