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"This website is not compatible with your device" I can see this show up on Youtube (why not - under Google's control, and they want you to watch the ads on th

"This website is not compatible with your device" I can see this show up on Youtube (why not - under Google's control, and they want you to watch the ads on their official browser) and on banking apps. Initially. In the longer run, it either withers and dies, or it leads to antitrust action. I really can't see another way.

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yonatan8070 3y ago
This will probably be implemented by every streaming service very quickly to try to prevent piracy (which won't work), and will only end up harming people who just want to watch on more freedom-respecting browsers or operating systems
- Liquix 3y ago
  g**gle and other PRISM partners do not want any users on freedom-respecting browsers/OSes. forcing people onto chromium based browsers isn't an unfortunate side effect, it's a secondary goal of the specification.
- snvzz 3y ago
  It's already not possible to login to Twitch on Linux. It rejects Firefox and Chrome outright. The solution is to use either browser on Wine, then copy the session cookies over.
  - Buttons840 3y ago
    I think you're wrong because I stream on Twitch using Linux.
    - snvzz 3y ago
      When did you last login to the website? Sessions last months, if not years. I recommend not logging out, as you'd then be affected by this.
      - jcranmer 3y ago
        I just logged in less than a minute ago, using Firefox on Linux. No issues whatsoever.
      - nmeagent 3y ago
        I just logged into Twitch with a fresh session in Firefox on a Linux system as well. No problems.
      - folmar 3y ago
        Logged in right now just fine. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:109.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/115.0
    - drdaeman 3y ago
      I was surprised and skeptical, but he seems to be right. I've opened a brand new Firefox instance and got "Your browser is not currently supported. Please use a recommended browser or learn more here." (linking to https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/supported-browsers?language=en_US https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/supported-browsers?language...) on the login screen. The login made a zero-payload POST to https://passport.twitch.tv/integrity https://passport.twitch.tv/integrity and it responded with 400 and a JSON body {"error_code": 5025, "error_description": "integrity failed", "error": "Oops! We encountered an unexpected error. Please try again.", ...}. It seems that this is not about GNU/Linux, though, as it happens at random (searches for `twitch "integrity failed"` produce results from all sort of platforms and browsers). Must be that some pointy haired boss had some important ideas about security. I was able to log in from a Firefox on a different GNU/Linux system, so it's not like those are always blocked. I suspect there's some User-Agent whitelist or similar kind of nonsense (but looking at the console logs and bunch of WebGL errors it certainly tries to fingerprint the system), but I'm too lazy to investigate this any further.
  - Liquix 3y ago
    FWIW streamlink [0] and streamlink twitch GUI [1] are FOSS solutions for watching twitch on GNU/Linux: streamlink "https://twitch.tv/$streamer" best --twitch-disable-ads --player mpv No ads, no tracking, no purple screens, no psuedo social network stuff to hijack your dopamine systems. [0] https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink [1] https://streamlink.github.io/streamlink-twitch-gui/ https://streamlink.github.io/streamlink-twitch-gui/
    - snvzz 3y ago
      I am aware and love it. Works great, until you need to chat or to manage your own channel.
      - king_geedorah 3y ago
        I'm not certain what you mean by "managing your own channel" in particular, but I use Chatterino[0] and find it to be a solid pairing with streamlink + VLC as far as just chat goes. It's also pretty straightforward to build from source which is always nice to me at least. [0](https://chatterino.com/ https://chatterino.com/)
  - nubinetwork 3y ago
    Works just fine for me. Firefox LTS on Gentoo, with adblock and bttv extensions.
  - Narishma 3y ago
    This is not true. I just logged into Twitch on Linux, Firefox ESR and it works just fine.
  - psanford 3y ago
    No, whatever issue you are experiencing is not simply Twitch blocking Linux. I can login fine from Linux from chromium and firefox.
    - snvzz 3y ago
      Interesting. Got an up to date arch where neither chromium nor firefox work, not even with clean profiles. Last I tried was over a month ago... I will give it another go soon. I do not expect progress.
- amluto 3y ago
  This seems pointless to me. These platforms already use Widevine and similar services for this purpose.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    "Defense in Depth" they will say
erosenbe0 3y ago
Banks are not the target of this. If Banks do something that inhibits people with disabilities, corporate account managers with disabilities, or senior citizens, they will get skewered. They will tread carefully.
MarkusWandel 3y ago
Actually, absent a full chain-of-trust from boot, which I believe Android/iOS do provide, and possibly the proprietary desktop environments can provide, it should be possible to fake the "I'm a legitimate browser" exchange. Which is what the 1% that care will do. But it sucks to have to go to deep underground "crack" type stuff where before there was an open web. Not to mention the risk of getting hit by the banhammer if detected.
- Floegipoky 3y ago
  > Not to mention the risk of getting hit by the banhammer if detected Or probably CFAA, it seems inevitable to me that these organizations will use state violence to enforce their monopolies.
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- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  > absent a full chain-of-trust from boot, which I believe Android/iOS do provide, and possibly the proprietary desktop environments can provide Exactly, absent all platforms except OSS operating systems like Linux. Windows 11, with its required hardware TPM, can absolutely do this. So can modern macOS.

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yonatan8070 3y ago

This will probably be implemented by every streaming service very quickly to try to prevent piracy (which won't work), and will only end up harming people who just want to watch on more freedom-respecting browsers or operating systems

Liquix 3y ago
g**gle and other PRISM partners do not want any users on freedom-respecting browsers/OSes. forcing people onto chromium based browsers isn't an unfortunate side effect, it's a secondary goal of the specification.
snvzz 3y ago
It's already not possible to login to Twitch on Linux. It rejects Firefox and Chrome outright. The solution is to use either browser on Wine, then copy the session cookies over.
- Buttons840 3y ago
  I think you're wrong because I stream on Twitch using Linux.
  - snvzz 3y ago
    When did you last login to the website? Sessions last months, if not years. I recommend not logging out, as you'd then be affected by this.
    - jcranmer 3y ago
      I just logged in less than a minute ago, using Firefox on Linux. No issues whatsoever.
    - nmeagent 3y ago
      I just logged into Twitch with a fresh session in Firefox on a Linux system as well. No problems.
    - folmar 3y ago
      Logged in right now just fine. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:109.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/115.0
  - drdaeman 3y ago
    I was surprised and skeptical, but he seems to be right. I've opened a brand new Firefox instance and got "Your browser is not currently supported. Please use a recommended browser or learn more here." (linking to https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/supported-browsers?language=en_US https://help.twitch.tv/s/article/supported-browsers?language...) on the login screen. The login made a zero-payload POST to https://passport.twitch.tv/integrity https://passport.twitch.tv/integrity and it responded with 400 and a JSON body {"error_code": 5025, "error_description": "integrity failed", "error": "Oops! We encountered an unexpected error. Please try again.", ...}. It seems that this is not about GNU/Linux, though, as it happens at random (searches for `twitch "integrity failed"` produce results from all sort of platforms and browsers). Must be that some pointy haired boss had some important ideas about security. I was able to log in from a Firefox on a different GNU/Linux system, so it's not like those are always blocked. I suspect there's some User-Agent whitelist or similar kind of nonsense (but looking at the console logs and bunch of WebGL errors it certainly tries to fingerprint the system), but I'm too lazy to investigate this any further.
- Liquix 3y ago
  FWIW streamlink [0] and streamlink twitch GUI [1] are FOSS solutions for watching twitch on GNU/Linux: streamlink "https://twitch.tv/$streamer" best --twitch-disable-ads --player mpv No ads, no tracking, no purple screens, no psuedo social network stuff to hijack your dopamine systems. [0] https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink https://github.com/streamlink/streamlink [1] https://streamlink.github.io/streamlink-twitch-gui/ https://streamlink.github.io/streamlink-twitch-gui/
  - snvzz 3y ago
    I am aware and love it. Works great, until you need to chat or to manage your own channel.
    - king_geedorah 3y ago
      I'm not certain what you mean by "managing your own channel" in particular, but I use Chatterino[0] and find it to be a solid pairing with streamlink + VLC as far as just chat goes. It's also pretty straightforward to build from source which is always nice to me at least. [0](https://chatterino.com/ https://chatterino.com/)
- nubinetwork 3y ago
  Works just fine for me. Firefox LTS on Gentoo, with adblock and bttv extensions.
- Narishma 3y ago
  This is not true. I just logged into Twitch on Linux, Firefox ESR and it works just fine.
- psanford 3y ago
  No, whatever issue you are experiencing is not simply Twitch blocking Linux. I can login fine from Linux from chromium and firefox.
  - snvzz 3y ago
    Interesting. Got an up to date arch where neither chromium nor firefox work, not even with clean profiles. Last I tried was over a month ago... I will give it another go soon. I do not expect progress.
amluto 3y ago
This seems pointless to me. These platforms already use Widevine and similar services for this purpose.
- freedomben 3y ago
  "Defense in Depth" they will say

erosenbe0 3y ago

Banks are not the target of this. If Banks do something that inhibits people with disabilities, corporate account managers with disabilities, or senior citizens, they will get skewered. They will tread carefully.

MarkusWandel 3y ago

Actually, absent a full chain-of-trust from boot, which I believe Android/iOS do provide, and possibly the proprietary desktop environments can provide, it should be possible to fake the "I'm a legitimate browser" exchange. Which is what the 1% that care will do. But it sucks to have to go to deep underground "crack" type stuff where before there was an open web. Not to mention the risk of getting hit by the banhammer if detected.

Floegipoky 3y ago
> Not to mention the risk of getting hit by the banhammer if detected Or probably CFAA, it seems inevitable to me that these organizations will use state violence to enforce their monopolies.
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Wowfunhappy 3y ago
> absent a full chain-of-trust from boot, which I believe Android/iOS do provide, and possibly the proprietary desktop environments can provide Exactly, absent all platforms except OSS operating systems like Linux. Windows 11, with its required hardware TPM, can absolutely do this. So can modern macOS.