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I think we can safely assume that the number of votes inaccurately counted is not statistically significant. In the cases where a tie is present a second or eve

by doc4t 15y ago

I think we can safely assume that the number of votes inaccurately counted is not statistically significant. In the cases where a tie is present a second or even third count usually takes place. I will trust this system of humans counting any day over a sum function in a database implemented by a private company with their own agenda

planckscnst 15y ago
> I will trust this system of humans counting any day over a sum function in a database implemented by a private company with their own agenda How about over an open source one? I have occationally thought of starting a kickstarter for an open-source voting system. It would be completely open- even down to choosing an open-source processor, and completely and transparently audited.
- doc4t 15y ago
  The point is not open source code. You still have to place trust in the system and the people executing it. While this is also true for a paper based manual-counted system the later is so transparent to anyone that cheating becomes very very difficult. Source code will never be transparent to anyone but programmers.
VMG 15y ago
> I will trust this system of humans counting any day over a sum function in a database implemented by a private company with their own agenda You don't have to trust a proprietary sum function. That is what crypto voting is about.
- doc4t 15y ago
  I admittedly don't know much about crypto voting. What I do know is this: When the entire process is analog I (and everyone else) can transparently verify what is going on. From I submit my vote to it is counted so many people are involved from all political parties that cheating becomes virtually impossible. Once you start to digitize the process you loose transparency completely. I can not see what is going on. The counting is computerized. I have to place trust in however implemented the algorithm. Also since I don't know much about crypto I even have to place trust in the guy telling me he did it right. I loose my ability to verify that the process is running untampered...and I'm a clever guy. I know CS and math and what not. Imagine the alienation of common people without IT education Voting is just one of those things that should not be computerized - there is no benefit. The current model is even costless since the people involved in the administration of votes and counting are volunteers (at least in DK).

by doc4t 15y ago

planckscnst 15y ago

> I will trust this system of humans counting any day over a sum function in a database implemented by a private company with their own agenda How about over an open source one? I have occationally thought of starting a kickstarter for an open-source voting system. It would be completely open- even down to choosing an open-source processor, and completely and transparently audited.

doc4t 15y ago
The point is not open source code. You still have to place trust in the system and the people executing it. While this is also true for a paper based manual-counted system the later is so transparent to anyone that cheating becomes very very difficult. Source code will never be transparent to anyone but programmers.

VMG 15y ago

> I will trust this system of humans counting any day over a sum function in a database implemented by a private company with their own agenda You don't have to trust a proprietary sum function. That is what crypto voting is about.

doc4t 15y ago
I admittedly don't know much about crypto voting. What I do know is this: When the entire process is analog I (and everyone else) can transparently verify what is going on. From I submit my vote to it is counted so many people are involved from all political parties that cheating becomes virtually impossible. Once you start to digitize the process you loose transparency completely. I can not see what is going on. The counting is computerized. I have to place trust in however implemented the algorithm. Also since I don't know much about crypto I even have to place trust in the guy telling me he did it right. I loose my ability to verify that the process is running untampered...and I'm a clever guy. I know CS and math and what not. Imagine the alienation of common people without IT education Voting is just one of those things that should not be computerized - there is no benefit. The current model is even costless since the people involved in the administration of votes and counting are volunteers (at least in DK).