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> how is that alien ingress have never been noticed? The US and the USSR had to collaborate on filtering out UAPs from radar early warning systems so we didn't

> how is that alien ingress have never been noticed? The US and the USSR had to collaborate on filtering out UAPs from radar early warning systems so we didn't nuke each other. Two of the people testifying in front of Congress are ex military pilots noting that they saw, and logged on radar, objects. The third has stated specifically that we do have satellite data and imagery displaying UAPs. > Why is that UFOs are coming up as pop culture topic just now in last few decade UFO reports from the middle ages exist, both in paintings and in writings. Ship captains have reports in their logs from the 16 and 1700s. Reports from within the U.S. in the 1800s exist. I haven't provided references here in the interest of my time, but all of what I stated here is readily verifiable with a few internet searches. All arguments of the form "where is the evidence" are moot at this point, as there is a mountain of evidence. The issue today is provenance. With claims so large, even HD video of an object and creatures in real time wouldn't be enough. The only thing that would convince people is the word of the US (or some other major country) government itself providing evidence, which it has done in small doses, and is the only reason this hearing is happening.

Eji1700 3y ago
> The US and the USSR had to collaborate on filtering out UAPs from radar early warning systems so we didn't nuke each other. And as we know they're the only countries with radar and observation abilities. > Two of the people testifying in front of Congress are ex military pilots noting that they saw, and logged on radar, objects. > The third has stated specifically that we do have satellite data and imagery displaying UAPs. This is nothing new. There's plenty of "stuff" that can get tagged as a UAP/UFO/Whatever. None of it has turned out to be aliens. > UFO reports from the middle ages exist, both in paintings and in writings. Ship captains have reports in their logs from the 16 and 1700s. Reports from within the U.S. in the 1800s exist. We've also got reports of dragons, krakens, bigfoot, the lochness, ghosts, psychic powers, and magic. Hell there's a couple of rather popular books talking about all sorts of phenomena like talking burning bushes, parting the sea, and walking on water. > All arguments of the form "where is the evidence" are moot at this point, as there is a mountain of evidence. No, it just isn't. HARD EVIDENCE does not exist. Even a mild dive into the claims shows how absurd all of these are, and often very real explanations are given, verified, and ignored by the community that wants to believe. It's got all the rigor of pizzagate and is in fact less likely to be possible.
- BobbyJo 3y ago
  > And as we know they're the only countries with radar and observation abilities. They're not? Are you implying that by pointing out one event I'm explicitly excluding the possibility of others? Not sure that follows. > This is nothing new. There's plenty of "stuff" that can get tagged as a UAP/UFO/Whatever. None of it has turned out to be aliens. Depends on who you ask, which was kin of my entire point. There is tons of evidence, what missing is provenance. > We've also got reports of dragons, krakens, bigfoot, the lochness, ghosts, psychic powers, and magic. Hell there's a couple of rather popular books talking about all sorts of phenomena like talking burning bushes, parting the sea, and walking on water. Again, the was my point. I wasn't saying "here is all the 100% proven evidence". I was saying "there is no evidence" is an inaccurate statement. > No, it just isn't. HARD EVIDENCE does not exist There is plenty of material, with plenty of seals of approval, just not from the U.S. gov.
yowzadave 3y ago
> All arguments of the form "where is the evidence" are moot at this point, as there is a mountain of evidence Sorry, I haven’t seen a single decent photo or video—everything is always blurry, distant, or ambiguous. And this is after a decade where virtually everyone is constantly carrying a camera on their person.
- BobbyJo 3y ago
  That argument would be "where is the indisputable evidence", and I would point out that no evidence is indisputable, especially when it concerns something as ridiculous as UFOs. I'll point out 2 things: 1) The videos released to the NY times for their 2017 story are compressed and downscaled version of much higher quality videos the US gov has in it possession. That is indisputable fact as the US gov itself freely admits that. 2) You probably haven't looked. I've seen many convincing photos and videos, but unless their from an F-XX aircraft and the D.O.D tells me it is what it is, I ignore them because pictures and video have been easy to fake for as long as picture and video have existed. Here is one I like: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/13dmaif/black_triangle_ufo_stabilized_enhanced/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/13dmaif/black_triangl... No way to know if it's legit or not, like I've said, but pretty cool either way.
srvmshr 3y ago
> All arguments of the form "where is the evidence" are moot at this point, as there is a mountain of evidence. We haven't seen a single clear evidence yet. The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations. True color image corresponding of the same event do not exist. No two accounts of unidentified activities are also same with inconsistencies one observes when people extend stories based on tenuous observation/experience
- BobbyJo 3y ago
  > The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations One is a potential flare/focal aberration. The other two have no such explanation, and one of the three has radar tracking, followed by pilot interaction (David Fravor), then was videod by a second pilot on encounter (the video that was released. Keep in mind also that all three are very low quality versions of the originals.
  - srvmshr 3y ago
    So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge. Create an elaborate story around unexplained IR camera observation. Potentially drop breadcrumbs & leave it ambiguous to project existence of superior otherworldly technology. I believe most of us agree at this point, whatever proof publicly exists isn't incontrovertible - but ambiguous enough to be an umbrella for other top secret projects. Aliens aren't selectively choosing US - if you pause & think. And if that should not happen, evidence of similar standing should pop up elsewhere as well. The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military, is somehow not matching up with critical reasoning. (And many of these militaries actually do have strong public outreach just like US af-mil) Leaving aside the military, clear photos have not showed up from the regular citizenry despite us having astrophotography capabilities in phones since sometime. The evidence or lack of it, isn't adding up

Eji1700 3y ago

> The US and the USSR had to collaborate on filtering out UAPs from radar early warning systems so we didn't nuke each other. And as we know they're the only countries with radar and observation abilities. > Two of the people testifying in front of Congress are ex military pilots noting that they saw, and logged on radar, objects. > The third has stated specifically that we do have satellite data and imagery displaying UAPs. This is nothing new. There's plenty of "stuff" that can get tagged as a UAP/UFO/Whatever. None of it has turned out to be aliens. > UFO reports from the middle ages exist, both in paintings and in writings. Ship captains have reports in their logs from the 16 and 1700s. Reports from within the U.S. in the 1800s exist. We've also got reports of dragons, krakens, bigfoot, the lochness, ghosts, psychic powers, and magic. Hell there's a couple of rather popular books talking about all sorts of phenomena like talking burning bushes, parting the sea, and walking on water. > All arguments of the form "where is the evidence" are moot at this point, as there is a mountain of evidence. No, it just isn't. HARD EVIDENCE does not exist. Even a mild dive into the claims shows how absurd all of these are, and often very real explanations are given, verified, and ignored by the community that wants to believe. It's got all the rigor of pizzagate and is in fact less likely to be possible.

BobbyJo 3y ago
> And as we know they're the only countries with radar and observation abilities. They're not? Are you implying that by pointing out one event I'm explicitly excluding the possibility of others? Not sure that follows. > This is nothing new. There's plenty of "stuff" that can get tagged as a UAP/UFO/Whatever. None of it has turned out to be aliens. Depends on who you ask, which was kin of my entire point. There is tons of evidence, what missing is provenance. > We've also got reports of dragons, krakens, bigfoot, the lochness, ghosts, psychic powers, and magic. Hell there's a couple of rather popular books talking about all sorts of phenomena like talking burning bushes, parting the sea, and walking on water. Again, the was my point. I wasn't saying "here is all the 100% proven evidence". I was saying "there is no evidence" is an inaccurate statement. > No, it just isn't. HARD EVIDENCE does not exist There is plenty of material, with plenty of seals of approval, just not from the U.S. gov.

yowzadave 3y ago

> All arguments of the form "where is the evidence" are moot at this point, as there is a mountain of evidence Sorry, I haven’t seen a single decent photo or video—everything is always blurry, distant, or ambiguous. And this is after a decade where virtually everyone is constantly carrying a camera on their person.

BobbyJo 3y ago
That argument would be "where is the indisputable evidence", and I would point out that no evidence is indisputable, especially when it concerns something as ridiculous as UFOs. I'll point out 2 things: 1) The videos released to the NY times for their 2017 story are compressed and downscaled version of much higher quality videos the US gov has in it possession. That is indisputable fact as the US gov itself freely admits that. 2) You probably haven't looked. I've seen many convincing photos and videos, but unless their from an F-XX aircraft and the D.O.D tells me it is what it is, I ignore them because pictures and video have been easy to fake for as long as picture and video have existed. Here is one I like: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/13dmaif/black_triangle_ufo_stabilized_enhanced/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/13dmaif/black_triangl... No way to know if it's legit or not, like I've said, but pretty cool either way.

srvmshr 3y ago

> All arguments of the form "where is the evidence" are moot at this point, as there is a mountain of evidence. We haven't seen a single clear evidence yet. The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations. True color image corresponding of the same event do not exist. No two accounts of unidentified activities are also same with inconsistencies one observes when people extend stories based on tenuous observation/experience

BobbyJo 3y ago
> The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations One is a potential flare/focal aberration. The other two have no such explanation, and one of the three has radar tracking, followed by pilot interaction (David Fravor), then was videod by a second pilot on encounter (the video that was released. Keep in mind also that all three are very low quality versions of the originals.
- srvmshr 3y ago
  So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge. Create an elaborate story around unexplained IR camera observation. Potentially drop breadcrumbs & leave it ambiguous to project existence of superior otherworldly technology. I believe most of us agree at this point, whatever proof publicly exists isn't incontrovertible - but ambiguous enough to be an umbrella for other top secret projects. Aliens aren't selectively choosing US - if you pause & think. And if that should not happen, evidence of similar standing should pop up elsewhere as well. The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military, is somehow not matching up with critical reasoning. (And many of these militaries actually do have strong public outreach just like US af-mil) Leaving aside the military, clear photos have not showed up from the regular citizenry despite us having astrophotography capabilities in phones since sometime. The evidence or lack of it, isn't adding up