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> You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing I hate how people decide something is an inevitable eternal cycle that sta

> You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing I hate how people decide something is an inevitable eternal cycle that started in the 20th century. Recorded music hasn't been around long enough to think that platitudes like this actually have any meaningful content. I'm here whining about how you're using a Beatles example because your argument is literally a teenage Baby Boomer argument. I've got board games older than your eternal generational war over the consumption of recorded music.

nkozyra 3y ago
> I hate how people decide something is an inevitable eternal cycle that started in the 20th century. Recorded music hasn't been around long enough to think that platitudes like this actually have any meaningful content. Maybe, but doesn't the same complaint exist about other media, too? 'Kids these days and their [books|music|art|clothes|dance styles]'
empath-nirvana 3y ago
> I hate how people decide something is an inevitable eternal cycle that started in the 20th century. People were complaining about the loudness war in _classical music_ in the early 19th century, unfavorably comparing Beethoven to his predecessors, and how his imitators were ruining music. Human nature doesn't change, and the phenomenon of people having their taste in music frozen in their teens and twenties is not something that was invented with the phonograph. “It is not surprising that Beethoven should, occasionally, have entertained blasé notions of his art; that he should have mistaken noise for grandeur, extravagance for originality, and have supposed that the interest of his compositions would be in proportion to their duration. That he gave little time to reflection, is proved most clearly in the extraordinary length of some movements in his later symphonies… His great qualities are frequently alloyed by a morbid desire for novelty; by extravagance, and by a disdain of rule… The effect which the writings of Beethoven have had on the art must, I fear, be considered as injurious. Led away by the force of his genius and dazzled by his creations, a crowd of imitators has arisen, who have displayed as much harshness, as much extravagance, and as much obscurity, with little or none of his beauty and grandeur. Thus music is no longer intended to sooth, to delight, to ‘wrap the sense in Elysium’; it is absorbed in one principle—to astonish.” Letter to the Editor in the Quarterly Musical Magazine and Review, London, 1827
- ChoHag 3y ago
  If you read that more carefully you'll see that the letter writer isn't complaining about Beethoven or his music but that his imitators can't do it as well as he does. He's not complaining that the burgeoning romantic movement sucked compared to the true classical music from his youth but that the quality of the music being produced has tanked because the new practitioners suck at making it: Beethoven, because he was a genius and could get it right, gave them carte blanche to break the rules that previously kept the music good. Although it's true to say that Beethoven didn't know how to stop.
- ideamotor 3y ago
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nkozyra 3y ago

> I hate how people decide something is an inevitable eternal cycle that started in the 20th century. Recorded music hasn't been around long enough to think that platitudes like this actually have any meaningful content. Maybe, but doesn't the same complaint exist about other media, too? 'Kids these days and their [books|music|art|clothes|dance styles]'

empath-nirvana 3y ago

> I hate how people decide something is an inevitable eternal cycle that started in the 20th century. People were complaining about the loudness war in _classical music_ in the early 19th century, unfavorably comparing Beethoven to his predecessors, and how his imitators were ruining music. Human nature doesn't change, and the phenomenon of people having their taste in music frozen in their teens and twenties is not something that was invented with the phonograph. “It is not surprising that Beethoven should, occasionally, have entertained blasé notions of his art; that he should have mistaken noise for grandeur, extravagance for originality, and have supposed that the interest of his compositions would be in proportion to their duration. That he gave little time to reflection, is proved most clearly in the extraordinary length of some movements in his later symphonies… His great qualities are frequently alloyed by a morbid desire for novelty; by extravagance, and by a disdain of rule… The effect which the writings of Beethoven have had on the art must, I fear, be considered as injurious. Led away by the force of his genius and dazzled by his creations, a crowd of imitators has arisen, who have displayed as much harshness, as much extravagance, and as much obscurity, with little or none of his beauty and grandeur. Thus music is no longer intended to sooth, to delight, to ‘wrap the sense in Elysium’; it is absorbed in one principle—to astonish.” Letter to the Editor in the Quarterly Musical Magazine and Review, London, 1827

ChoHag 3y ago
If you read that more carefully you'll see that the letter writer isn't complaining about Beethoven or his music but that his imitators can't do it as well as he does. He's not complaining that the burgeoning romantic movement sucked compared to the true classical music from his youth but that the quality of the music being produced has tanked because the new practitioners suck at making it: Beethoven, because he was a genius and could get it right, gave them carte blanche to break the rules that previously kept the music good. Although it's true to say that Beethoven didn't know how to stop.
ideamotor 3y ago
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