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I think it's okay to be cynical about this and extremely skeptical. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and all we're presented with is "yeah,

I think it's okay to be cynical about this and extremely skeptical. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and all we're presented with is "yeah, I think so" and "I can't talk about this in an open session". How would you suggest one approach this kind of hearing to be considered doing so in good faith?

revscat 3y ago
Stop assuming everyone who is speaking into a microphone is lying in one form or another, or too stupid to be trustworthy. Thousands and thousands of people have experienced extraordinary things over decades and multiple continents. All people here are willing to consider is that there is financial gain to be had, etc. Not that they are actually being truthful, and seeking nothing more than understanding. Plus come ON. There's a chance that we possess something that can negate the Higgs field. That's huge beyond words.
- hakunin 3y ago
  Are you asking for good faith, or just faith? A million debunkable/explainable-with-something-else cases is equivalent to zero cases. I mostly see people ask for one, single, hard piece of evidence. In all of the millions. Something that can't be explained much more plausibly.
- tjoff 3y ago
  > Thousands and thousands of people have experienced extraordinary things over decades and multiple continents. And there are very reasonable reasons for why they think they experienced that. Just go back a hundred years and read what many people believed in back then. Most of which are trivially false (from our perspective). Heck, religion is still a thing today. More religions than can fit together so if nothing else we know most of them are wrong.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
  You seem to think the only two options are they're lying or they magically know exactly what they experienced and should be trusted implicitly. There's a lot more to it than that. People hallucinate and confabulate. People see patterns where there are none all the time. People unintentionally modify their own memories in all sorts of ways whenever they recall them. People believe things with no evidence just because they want to. People embellish their stories to fit the conclusion they want.
mustacheemperor 3y ago
Extraordinarily claims require extraordinary evidence and reasonably demand healthy skepticism, but HackerNews requires engaging and thoughtful discussion. These threads are constantly full of the same flippantly dismissive remarks, as if it's a novel critique to mention that everyone has a good camera in their pocket these days but hasn't recorded a UFO on it. HackerNews can be skeptical in interesting, informative ways - the discussion from yesterday of how the superconductor video could have been faked or could be representing something other than a superconductor is a great example. The UFO discussions are usually not that.
- chamsom 3y ago
  The low effort comments on this topic is surprising, considering that this community has many experts in respective scientific fields. There is not much effort to bring deep legal/scientific critical analysis into the subject. Even if this is an extraordinary claim, that it is backed by so many professional witnesses should warrant sincere investigation rather than banter and ridicule.

revscat 3y ago

Stop assuming everyone who is speaking into a microphone is lying in one form or another, or too stupid to be trustworthy. Thousands and thousands of people have experienced extraordinary things over decades and multiple continents. All people here are willing to consider is that there is financial gain to be had, etc. Not that they are actually being truthful, and seeking nothing more than understanding. Plus come ON. There's a chance that we possess something that can negate the Higgs field. That's huge beyond words.

hakunin 3y ago
Are you asking for good faith, or just faith? A million debunkable/explainable-with-something-else cases is equivalent to zero cases. I mostly see people ask for one, single, hard piece of evidence. In all of the millions. Something that can't be explained much more plausibly.
tjoff 3y ago
> Thousands and thousands of people have experienced extraordinary things over decades and multiple continents. And there are very reasonable reasons for why they think they experienced that. Just go back a hundred years and read what many people believed in back then. Most of which are trivially false (from our perspective). Heck, religion is still a thing today. More religions than can fit together so if nothing else we know most of them are wrong.
mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
You seem to think the only two options are they're lying or they magically know exactly what they experienced and should be trusted implicitly. There's a lot more to it than that. People hallucinate and confabulate. People see patterns where there are none all the time. People unintentionally modify their own memories in all sorts of ways whenever they recall them. People believe things with no evidence just because they want to. People embellish their stories to fit the conclusion they want.

mustacheemperor 3y ago

Extraordinarily claims require extraordinary evidence and reasonably demand healthy skepticism, but HackerNews requires engaging and thoughtful discussion. These threads are constantly full of the same flippantly dismissive remarks, as if it's a novel critique to mention that everyone has a good camera in their pocket these days but hasn't recorded a UFO on it. HackerNews can be skeptical in interesting, informative ways - the discussion from yesterday of how the superconductor video could have been faked or could be representing something other than a superconductor is a great example. The UFO discussions are usually not that.

chamsom 3y ago
The low effort comments on this topic is surprising, considering that this community has many experts in respective scientific fields. There is not much effort to bring deep legal/scientific critical analysis into the subject. Even if this is an extraordinary claim, that it is backed by so many professional witnesses should warrant sincere investigation rather than banter and ridicule.