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As a firefighter you should know putting out lithium battery fire is very different. It burns much hotter, releases toxic gas. You can not use water to put it

As a firefighter you should know putting out lithium battery fire is very different. It burns much hotter, releases toxic gas. You can not use water to put it out, lithium reacts with water and releases more toxic gas. Water is like gasoline. Battery also reignites randomly, even after fire was stopped. To completely stop lithium battery fire, you need to submerge it in liquid oil for several weeks, to make sure that thing is completely dead. In country of 10 million people, we only have two tanks, that can deal with electric car fire. Electric car can self ignite randomly, even after being parked for several hours or days. We are lucky Tesla has good QA, but that will change as other brands (even Chinese) will flood market. And there will be DIY battery repairs... Ferry in Norway could have cars from Bulgaria or Serbia onboard. Even homemade electric bike is electric vehicle! I am absolutely for banning electric cars from underground garages, ferries, long tunnels, and so on.

martin_a 3y ago
> In country of 10 million people, we only have two tanks, that can deal with electric car fire. In a county of 160k people we have two troughs on standby for these cases. It's about being trained and prepared and things will lose its horror.
- CogitoCogito 3y ago
  I'm a bit surprised that Norway would be so far behind your county, but regardless it seems like the shipping company is acting prudently given Norway's lack of readiness.
  - Thoeu388 3y ago
    That is Czechia, not Norway.
    - CogitoCogito 3y ago
      Yeah I should have realized you couldn’t have been talking about Norway. Had I turned my brain on, I would have realized that a rich country with so much EV uptake couldn’t possibly be so far behind in EV fire suppression.
borski 3y ago
> I am absolutely for banning electric cars from underground garages, ferries, long tunnels, and so on. I’m very glad you don’t write laws.
yreg 3y ago
>As a firefighter you should know putting out lithium battery fire is very different. It burns much hotter, releases toxic gas. You can not use water to put it out, lithium reacts with water and releases more toxic gas. Water is like gasoline. Dunning-Kruger effect? You are explaining to a firefighter who is presumably trained in this stuff that water makes the problem worse … when a simple Google search shows you that using (a lot of) water is the standard recommended procedure for EV fires across the globe. https://www.ctif.org/news/150-000-liters-water-needed-put-out-fire-electric-car https://www.ctif.org/news/150-000-liters-water-needed-put-ou... https://www.iafc.org/topics-and-tools/resources/resource/iafc-s-fire-department-response-to-electric-vehicle-fires-bulletin https://www.iafc.org/topics-and-tools/resources/resource/iaf... https://www.phoenix.gov/firesite/Documents/074742.pdf https://www.phoenix.gov/firesite/Documents/074742.pdf https://www.dekra-roadsafety.com/en/what-to-do-if-an-electric-car-catches-fire/ https://www.dekra-roadsafety.com/en/what-to-do-if-an-electri... https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-studies/Documents/SR2001.pdf https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-studies/Documents/SR2001....
- Detrytus 3y ago
  Yes, they do recommend pouring water on burning EVs, but this does nothing to extinguish the fire, it just keeps it under control, keeps it from spreading, until it burns out on its own. That takes 40 times more water and more time than extinguishing ICE car fire - one of your own links explains it. Actually, the most practical solution to transporting electric cars by ferry might be to dump them into the sea in case of fire :)
  - yreg 3y ago
    As someone else said, the amount of water needed is a non-issue on a ferry…
    - bagels 3y ago
      Do they usually extinguish fires by pumping ocean water?
ricardobayes 3y ago
Maybe time to upgrade your country's readiness to fight EV fires.
Knee_Pain 3y ago
>In country of 10 million people, we only have two tanks, that can deal with electric car fire. so.... build more? if there are too few fire extinguishers in a building do you scrap the building or do you commission more?
- joshspankit 3y ago
  My thoughts also. I mean there was a time when there were no fire hydrants or fire trucks or extinguishers of any kind. It always takes a while to build up infrastructure and learn enough about risks to be able to train people. We just have to accept that we’re only at the beginning and get to commissioning.

martin_a 3y ago

> In country of 10 million people, we only have two tanks, that can deal with electric car fire. In a county of 160k people we have two troughs on standby for these cases. It's about being trained and prepared and things will lose its horror.

CogitoCogito 3y ago
I'm a bit surprised that Norway would be so far behind your county, but regardless it seems like the shipping company is acting prudently given Norway's lack of readiness.
- Thoeu388 3y ago
  That is Czechia, not Norway.
  - CogitoCogito 3y ago
    Yeah I should have realized you couldn’t have been talking about Norway. Had I turned my brain on, I would have realized that a rich country with so much EV uptake couldn’t possibly be so far behind in EV fire suppression.

borski 3y ago

> I am absolutely for banning electric cars from underground garages, ferries, long tunnels, and so on. I’m very glad you don’t write laws.

yreg 3y ago

>As a firefighter you should know putting out lithium battery fire is very different. It burns much hotter, releases toxic gas. You can not use water to put it out, lithium reacts with water and releases more toxic gas. Water is like gasoline. Dunning-Kruger effect? You are explaining to a firefighter who is presumably trained in this stuff that water makes the problem worse … when a simple Google search shows you that using (a lot of) water is the standard recommended procedure for EV fires across the globe. https://www.ctif.org/news/150-000-liters-water-needed-put-out-fire-electric-car https://www.ctif.org/news/150-000-liters-water-needed-put-ou... https://www.iafc.org/topics-and-tools/resources/resource/iafc-s-fire-department-response-to-electric-vehicle-fires-bulletin https://www.iafc.org/topics-and-tools/resources/resource/iaf... https://www.phoenix.gov/firesite/Documents/074742.pdf https://www.phoenix.gov/firesite/Documents/074742.pdf https://www.dekra-roadsafety.com/en/what-to-do-if-an-electric-car-catches-fire/ https://www.dekra-roadsafety.com/en/what-to-do-if-an-electri... https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-studies/Documents/SR2001.pdf https://www.ntsb.gov/safety/safety-studies/Documents/SR2001....

Detrytus 3y ago
Yes, they do recommend pouring water on burning EVs, but this does nothing to extinguish the fire, it just keeps it under control, keeps it from spreading, until it burns out on its own. That takes 40 times more water and more time than extinguishing ICE car fire - one of your own links explains it. Actually, the most practical solution to transporting electric cars by ferry might be to dump them into the sea in case of fire :)
- yreg 3y ago
  As someone else said, the amount of water needed is a non-issue on a ferry…
  - bagels 3y ago
    Do they usually extinguish fires by pumping ocean water?

ricardobayes 3y ago

Maybe time to upgrade your country's readiness to fight EV fires.

Knee_Pain 3y ago

>In country of 10 million people, we only have two tanks, that can deal with electric car fire. so.... build more? if there are too few fire extinguishers in a building do you scrap the building or do you commission more?

joshspankit 3y ago
My thoughts also. I mean there was a time when there were no fire hydrants or fire trucks or extinguishers of any kind. It always takes a while to build up infrastructure and learn enough about risks to be able to train people. We just have to accept that we’re only at the beginning and get to commissioning.