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People who wanted to keep their job, friends and family. It's disgusting.

gadders 3y ago
Or people who wanted to travel.
pavel_lishin 3y ago
By that metric, most of the people I know are being forced to wipe their asses and wash their hands as well. Where will the tyranny stop!?
zzzeek 3y ago
I'm forced to wear pants in public at all times. If I showed up to Thanksgiving with no pants, they'd ask me to leave and id never get invited again. Tyranny ! Everyone should be free to endanger everyone around them with a deadly crippling virus at all times.
- gadders 3y ago
  The vaccine didn't stop transmission though so being vaccinated made no difference as to whether you were "endangering people" (you weren't, mostly) with a "deadly" (not unless morbidly obese or with other serious health issues) "crippling" (still unconfirmed) virus.
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    > ...being vaccinated made no difference as to whether you were "endangering people" Those parroting this point forget to mention that hospitals across the country were collapsing because of COVID-19 patient admissions.
    - gadders 3y ago
      But if you can give people the virus whether vaccinated or not, there is functionally no difference in how much you were endangering people. How does hospitals collapsing change that?
      - manuelabeledo 3y ago
        > But if you can give people the virus whether vaccinated or not, there is functionally no difference in how much you were endangering people You are now suggesting that vaccines did not prevent severe illness, which is not true.
        gadders 3y ago
        But that doesn't change whether you are endangering people by infecting them.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        I'm not sure what you are trying to point out here. Vaccinations were a matter of public health. Vaccines did not prevent infections, but they prevented severe illness. The healthcare system was collapsing under the pressure from hundreds of thousands of patients suffering from severe illness. This would put any other people seeking for care at risk, since they could not get it. Since vaccinations would prevent severe illness, that would alleviate the pressure on the system, thus making care available to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to get it. It's not that hard to understand.
        gadders 3y ago
        The original post claimed that by not being vaccinated you would "free to endanger everyone around them with a deadly crippling virus at all times". Not "endanger them via some 3rd party route if a hypothetical hospital was too busy at that time.". You are arguing against a straw man of your own invention.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        > Not "endanger them via some 3rd party route if a hypothetical hospital was too busy at that time.". It seems that you aren't aware of the precarious situation of the healthcare system during the pandemic. Either that, or you like to move goalposts.
    - wmidwestranger 3y ago
      I'd love to read a good analysis of how much the vaccine contributed vs the attrition among those more vulnerable, along with a look at the final vaccination demographics. People are still so polarized though, I expect the really interesting information is a few years out until it's somewhat settled.
  - zzzeek 3y ago
    Studies which looked at this found that the vaccine reduced transmission levels overall [1] [2] , to greater or lesser degrees depending on variant. possible avenues include less people having covid in the first place, possible shortening of the silent incubation period, reduction of viral load, shortening of the disease's span overall. [1] https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298 https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298 [2] https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/12/424546/covid-19-vaccines-prior-infection-reduce-transmission-omicron https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/12/424546/covid-19-vaccines-p...

Or people who wanted to travel.

By that metric, most of the people I know are being forced to wipe their asses and wash their hands as well. Where will the tyranny stop!?

zzzeek 3y ago

I'm forced to wear pants in public at all times. If I showed up to Thanksgiving with no pants, they'd ask me to leave and id never get invited again. Tyranny ! Everyone should be free to endanger everyone around them with a deadly crippling virus at all times.

gadders 3y ago
The vaccine didn't stop transmission though so being vaccinated made no difference as to whether you were "endangering people" (you weren't, mostly) with a "deadly" (not unless morbidly obese or with other serious health issues) "crippling" (still unconfirmed) virus.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  > ...being vaccinated made no difference as to whether you were "endangering people" Those parroting this point forget to mention that hospitals across the country were collapsing because of COVID-19 patient admissions.
  - gadders 3y ago
    But if you can give people the virus whether vaccinated or not, there is functionally no difference in how much you were endangering people. How does hospitals collapsing change that?
    - manuelabeledo 3y ago
      > But if you can give people the virus whether vaccinated or not, there is functionally no difference in how much you were endangering people You are now suggesting that vaccines did not prevent severe illness, which is not true.
      - gadders 3y ago
        But that doesn't change whether you are endangering people by infecting them.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        I'm not sure what you are trying to point out here. Vaccinations were a matter of public health. Vaccines did not prevent infections, but they prevented severe illness. The healthcare system was collapsing under the pressure from hundreds of thousands of patients suffering from severe illness. This would put any other people seeking for care at risk, since they could not get it. Since vaccinations would prevent severe illness, that would alleviate the pressure on the system, thus making care available to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to get it. It's not that hard to understand.
        gadders 3y ago
        The original post claimed that by not being vaccinated you would "free to endanger everyone around them with a deadly crippling virus at all times". Not "endanger them via some 3rd party route if a hypothetical hospital was too busy at that time.". You are arguing against a straw man of your own invention.
        manuelabeledo 3y ago
        > Not "endanger them via some 3rd party route if a hypothetical hospital was too busy at that time.". It seems that you aren't aware of the precarious situation of the healthcare system during the pandemic. Either that, or you like to move goalposts.
  - wmidwestranger 3y ago
    I'd love to read a good analysis of how much the vaccine contributed vs the attrition among those more vulnerable, along with a look at the final vaccination demographics. People are still so polarized though, I expect the really interesting information is a few years out until it's somewhat settled.
- zzzeek 3y ago
  Studies which looked at this found that the vaccine reduced transmission levels overall [1] [2] , to greater or lesser degrees depending on variant. possible avenues include less people having covid in the first place, possible shortening of the silent incubation period, reduction of viral load, shortening of the disease's span overall. [1] https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298 https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298 [2] https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/12/424546/covid-19-vaccines-prior-infection-reduce-transmission-omicron https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2022/12/424546/covid-19-vaccines-p...