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Quad9 blocks pirate site globally after Sony demanded €10k fine
- nullindividual 3y agoI like Quad9 because it has ECS support, so unlike CF/Google, I don't get sent to some wild endpoint half way across the world. But I think it is time to move on.
- fxtentacle 3y agoThey filed an appeal and are doing only the minimum required to stay out of prison. I don't think you'll find a much more liberal DNS service.
- zarzavat 3y agoIt would be nice if there was a large DNS service that was outside of US jurisdiction though.
- selectodude 3y agoThey make music in Europe too and I imagine those people are just as unhappy with music piracy.
- NeckBeardPrince 3y agoI heard the City of Atlantis is working on their own DNS provider.
- Obscurity4340 3y agoHow profitable could it be if its already starting out underwater? [ba-dum-CHING]
- jcrawfordor 3y agoQuad9 is largely outside of US jurisdiction, the operator is Swiss and the lawsuit in question is in Germany. The US isn't the only country with problematic jurisprudence on intellectual property.
- behringer 3y agoYou'll have to find an endpoint halfway across the world to find a dns within a laissez-faire jurisdiction
- figmert 3y ago> ECS ... CF It seems CEO/Founder of CF says that they do not support ECS[0]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702
- TheSeeker11 3y agoGoogle DNS supports ECS https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/ecs https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/ecs
- gettodachoppa 3y ago[flagged]
- SllX 3y agoSo what are they? Aliens? Robots? A front for the dolphins? Sentient paperwork?
- catboybotnet 3y agoSony is a company, a corporation, a conglomerate, a machine to generate wealth for shareholders, whatever you wanna call it. Not a human. Decisions humans make on behalf of the company still lead to company != human.
- deleted 3y ago[deleted]
- SllX 3y agoSony Group Corporation is a kabushiki gaisha under Japanese law, which translates roughly to “stock corporation”, which is a legal entity representing its owners (individuals and institutional investors, but if you follow the trails of paperwork all the way to the end, it’s all individuals) in the marketplace. The arrangement is complex, but it is very much all people. Loads of them, as employees, management, executive management, owners and beneficiaries. Your point is taken that the entity is not literally human—sentient paperwork is a joke but it’s actually not too far off—but your statement is still dehumanizing to actual people. The actions people take acting as representatives of the company are still human actions with human incentives behind them. I was hoping you would take the hint rather than the full explanation.
- polygamous_bat 3y ago> if you follow the trails of paperwork all the way to the end, it’s all individuals And if you follow the textbooks all the way, you and I are just electron, proton, neutron, same in the stars and in piles of garbage. The intent behind the corporation/individual matters as much, and otherwise it's just as meaningless to say as a response to GP.
- darkclouds 3y ago> The DNS resolver stressed that it doesn’t condone piracy but believes that enforcing blocking measures through third-party intermediaries, that don’t host any content, is a step too far. I agree, its like asking members of the public to become road traffic cops because they happen to be walking or driving on the road when an offence takes place, highly efficient by virtue of members of the public being present to witness said offence but it sets a dangerous precedence of people taking the law into their own hands. What Sony wants (and everyone else) is the ability to protect our work and data. Thats the holy grail and there isnt really any way to do this at the moment apart from doing our own hardware, like a betamax player that could also play vhs.
- akaitea 3y agoThanks Sony, I had no idea this site existed until now
- supernikio2 3y agoQuintessential Streisand Effect.
- nickthegreek 3y agoWent to check out the site (Canna.to) and it wouldn't load. Then I wondered what Upstream DNS I was using on my pi-hole... sure enough, Quad9. Then I went to load the site on my phone, and it tried to open 98 popups...
- webmobdev 3y ago> ... it tried to open 98 popups... You need to install the uBlock Origin extension - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin... (and if you know some web development, the uMatrix extension - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/umatrix/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/umatrix/ ). Best used with Firefox or Palemoon browser. I have it on my browser and saw zero pop-ups.
- nickthegreek 3y agoit _tried_ to open. it did not succeed.
- cykros 3y agoI have brave with uBlock and other than a "site is insecure" warning it loaded just fine, no pop ups. Those still exist?
- abwizz 3y agooperator probably realized the traffic surge and decided to monetize tru ranking up ads
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- cesaref 3y agoGiven how much music is available via streaming services, for little money (or none if you can deal with adverts) i'd have thought the impact of a pirate music site would be very limited. I wonder what the impact of this site is on Sony, or whether what is really going on is some sort of personal vendetta, as legal action is usually a sign that things have got personal.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago> I wonder what the impact of this site is on Sony There is zero impact for Sony Music [0] > whether what is really going on is some sort of personal vendetta No, they just want what there would be no way to obtain music except going through Sony Music. Yet, there are people who defends them *shrug* [1] [0] https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/04/28/sony-music-earnings-q1-2023/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2023/04/28/sony-music-earni... [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36875710 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36875710
- captn3m0 3y agoThey might be trying to set precedence in law. Next time, it gets harder for other DNS providers (Google, CloudFlare, but also ISPs) to deny such blocks.
- WirelessGigabit 3y agoEven without impact on them I believe there is still value in non-streaming. I've discovered multiple CDs disappearing from Spotify. The FLACs that are sitting on my NAS aren't subject to some finite licensing deal.
- stavros 3y agoYep, exactly. I really hate this world we've built, where everything is rented. I'm just going to get everything from Bandcamp from now on.
- Astronaut3315 3y agoThere’s plenty of content that Apple Music is missing. Just yesterday I wanted to listen to an album they don’t have, but I do on my personal server. Streaming isn’t a perfect alternative to ownership (or piracy, in this case).
- bastardoperator 3y agoWait until Sony finds out about Youtube.
- eli 3y agoSony gets a whole lot more than $10k from youtube
- jpeizer 3y agoMost times these companies have automatic copyright triggers on YouTube and YouTube will most of the time keep the video up, not punish the uploader, but move a portion of the proceeds to the company as payment of use. It’s happened to me a number of times when I use to make gameplay videos with non licensed music.
- hdjjhhvvhga 3y agoTangentially related, I hate pirate websites that don't make any effort and don't include any samples of music they pirate. At least Israbox usually has links to album preview or a YT sample so you can decide whether it's worth downloading. I found that in this way you can discover interesting artists outside of your bubble (YT's algorithm used to work well in the past for this but now it's crap) and then buy their recordings.
- hulitu 3y ago> At least Israbox usually has links to album preview or a YT sample so you can decide whether it's worth downloading This will turn a lot of people off. The sound quality on YT is absymal.
- khancyr 3y agoSo Quad9 should block all Sony domains as they are infringing EU law and make licenced works in some countries accessible to some other where it isn't available through VP
- ndsipa_pomu 3y agoI really hope their appeal succeeds as otherwise we're going to get a lot of copyright holders getting control over DNS services.
- gogurt2000 3y agoTo be clear, Canna doesn't host any of the pirated music, they just post links to file sharing sites that do. So this case is about DNS resolving the address of a site that links to other sites that host pirated content. By that logic, Quad9 should block Google, Facebook, Bing, reddit, twitter, and honestly every social media site because they link to download sites where pirated content is available.
- notquitehuman 3y agoThe sites listed all pay US politicians, judges, and regulators for political favors and leniency, Canna does not.
- mardifoufs 3y agoQuad9 is European and European courts have ruled against them in a similar case earlier.
- jeroenhd 3y agoI don't think the district court of Hamburg cares much about which US politicians these websites pay off.
- hulitu 3y agoYou will be surprised. The "district court of Hamburg" it's very famous in DE when it comes to, among others, copyright.
- thefurdrake 3y agoIt is important to read the article before commenting on it.
- b59831 3y agoEurope does something but America is to blame. :eyeroll:
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- toyg 3y agoAll this for an Evanescence album - does anyone even remember that band exists...?
- accrual 3y agoI mostly remember that one specific album cover that everyone seemed to use as their AIM and MSN Messenger profile photo back in the day.
- rascul 3y agoSeems to still resolve @9.9.9.10 https://www.quad9.net/service/service-addresses-and-features#unsec https://www.quad9.net/service/service-addresses-and-features...
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- minus7 3y agoThe DNS records for that domain are hijacked on two German ISPs' resolvers I tested, yikes. Google and Cloudflare resolvers resolve it just fine however. canna.to. 0 IN CNAME notice.cuii.info. notice.cuii.info. 34953 IN A 167.233.14.14
- Engolianth 3y agoThe intolerance paradox enters the chat. Is it too radical to suggest that all DNS providers block all of a company's websites whenever they lobby for things like this? Kind of like a blacklist of free speech offenders.