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I'm not sure I get your argument. Basically everything you're talking about applies to physical manufacturing too. You have high fixed costs (equipment, locati

I'm not sure I get your argument. Basically everything you're talking about applies to physical manufacturing too. You have high fixed costs (equipment, location, assembly line workers, what have you), and you also have marginal cost (software basically has zero marginal cost). Good physical goods also take effort, and great people to design them. > Physical manufacturing is hard, but it at least brings in dollars You say this as if it's some indelible fact that if you make a physical product, it WILL be bought and you WILL make a profit no matter what, but I think it's safe to say this is objectively false, as many failed physical business would attest to. > OSS, privacy and wankers reverse engineering your software shrinks your market substantially. As opposed to in the physical world, where nobody ever cribs your ideas and sells them at a discount compared to you... AKA "Amazon's business model"? (not to mention overseas knockoffs of products Given all these things being equal then, software has all the same benefits that your parent comment mentioned, while staying at best EQUAL with physical manufacturing, save for maybe higher salaries to the people making your product (arguable in some cases, but on average probably true) but this difference pales in comparison to not having to own a warehouse and manage last-mile shipping costs etc.

ipaddr 3y ago
A physical product has limitations. Creating 1,000 car mirrors requires capital, storage, self space to sell. Once the mirrors are created no changes can occur. Any changes requires a new batch. Software has expectations that it can and should be changed after purchase through updates/patches/upgrades/saas products. That creates an ongoing cost a physical product doesn't have. There are tradeoffs and different expectations which make both difficult. I would rather go the software root because I have the advantage of free developer time but someone else might find making 10,000 widgets from China much easier and cheaper. We think software is easier because we devalue what we add and what we really cost
- LegitShady 3y ago
  >Software has expectations that it can and should be changed after purchase through updates/patches/upgrades/saas products. That creates an ongoing cost a physical product doesn't have. Nowadays businesses use this to create a constant revenue stream from what used to be a single purchase. It's not to service the product, its to continue to soak money from the people who do end up spending on it. Aside from security updates most software I have, I just want them to stop. No changes, no design upgrades, no "we changed this tier of our pricing" etc. Most of that stuff is working against the customer not for them. Your SaaS model is so you can make money, I have no incentive to pay more than I have to.
  - dcow 3y ago
    > I have no incentive to pay more than I have to. You have to pay their recurring revenue if you want them to stay in business and keep the lights on so you can use their product. That's the hard reality. If you run your own server and fix your own bugs and etc. (which is feasible for many here, I'm not saying it's a bad option) then you can "pay no more than you have to".
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      > You have to pay their recurring revenue if you want them to stay in business and keep the lights on so you can use their product. It's not my problem that they've settled on a revenue model that isn't in line with what I'm prepared to do.
      - dcow 3y ago
        Sure, then you're okay with the consequences of the product not existing when they go out of business.
        LegitShady 3y ago
        If it was just software they sold it would still exist. It's only a saas and abusive license.verififcation that means if they go out of business they remove all benefits from previously paid amounts, and that's not in my interest either.
        JohnFen 3y ago
        I am entirely fine with that, yes. It might make room for better business models to return.

ipaddr 3y ago

A physical product has limitations. Creating 1,000 car mirrors requires capital, storage, self space to sell. Once the mirrors are created no changes can occur. Any changes requires a new batch. Software has expectations that it can and should be changed after purchase through updates/patches/upgrades/saas products. That creates an ongoing cost a physical product doesn't have. There are tradeoffs and different expectations which make both difficult. I would rather go the software root because I have the advantage of free developer time but someone else might find making 10,000 widgets from China much easier and cheaper. We think software is easier because we devalue what we add and what we really cost

LegitShady 3y ago
>Software has expectations that it can and should be changed after purchase through updates/patches/upgrades/saas products. That creates an ongoing cost a physical product doesn't have. Nowadays businesses use this to create a constant revenue stream from what used to be a single purchase. It's not to service the product, its to continue to soak money from the people who do end up spending on it. Aside from security updates most software I have, I just want them to stop. No changes, no design upgrades, no "we changed this tier of our pricing" etc. Most of that stuff is working against the customer not for them. Your SaaS model is so you can make money, I have no incentive to pay more than I have to.
- dcow 3y ago
  > I have no incentive to pay more than I have to. You have to pay their recurring revenue if you want them to stay in business and keep the lights on so you can use their product. That's the hard reality. If you run your own server and fix your own bugs and etc. (which is feasible for many here, I'm not saying it's a bad option) then you can "pay no more than you have to".
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > You have to pay their recurring revenue if you want them to stay in business and keep the lights on so you can use their product. It's not my problem that they've settled on a revenue model that isn't in line with what I'm prepared to do.
    - dcow 3y ago
      Sure, then you're okay with the consequences of the product not existing when they go out of business.
      - LegitShady 3y ago
        If it was just software they sold it would still exist. It's only a saas and abusive license.verififcation that means if they go out of business they remove all benefits from previously paid amounts, and that's not in my interest either.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        I am entirely fine with that, yes. It might make room for better business models to return.