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>There has been wage stagnation and the workers share of the profit has been steadily shrinking ever since the 1970ies. Even the Bosworth piece you link to asse
by ETH_start 3y ago
>There has been wage stagnation and the workers share of the profit has been steadily shrinking ever since the 1970ies. Even the Bosworth piece you link to asserts that much.
The Brookings article asserts that the wage growth stagnation is less severe than what graphs like the EPI's show, and moreover, that the reduction in the workers share of the profit is much less severe than what the EPI graph shows.
The article explains how the primary cause of the slowdown in wage growth is a slowdown in productivity growth:
Still, the data of figure 1 clearly document a major slowdown in real wage growth. It is largely the product of poor productivity performance over the past decade
So I reiterate, that the culprit is slowing productivity growth. The massive rise in social welfare spending, and regulations, since 1950, points to left-wing policies being responsible for the slowdown, and not the free market bogeyman.
And no, the article doesn't say the workers' share has shrunk since the 1970s. It says there has been a slight decrease since 2000:
The basic stability of labor’s share up to 2000 is evident in the minor difference between the growth in labor productivity and real wages (output prices), but the increase in real wages falls short of that of productivity by a substantial ½ percent annual in the 2005-14 period
>I'm not sure I see an argument for that.
The argument is that rent-seeking parties, like those employed in public sector unions, see their incomes increase at the expense of the general population's as social welfare spending, as a percentage of GDP, rises.
This [1] is the situation in California. This [2] is the situation in New York.
>That's fine. We don't have to go back to the rates of the 1950ies. But having a person earning hundreds of thousands of USD per year paying a lower effective rate than a janitor is just cynical exploitation.
The effective tax rate of high income earners is much higher than that of a typical janitor..
>The US industry and manufacturing was doing fine - until the shareholders and the management decided it would be more profitable to offshore production.
Multiple industries went bankrupt. The passenger rail services were crushed under the growing demands of the "brotherhoods". The US Auto industry nearly collapsed. This claim that manufacturing just offshored is unfounded.
>Differences in compensation between management and workers have been continuously expanding ever since the '50ies. So there seems to money around to continue to grow some wages. Just not to grow those of the workers doing the actual work. Strange, right?
Corporate earnings growth has slowed significantly since the 1950s. Productivity growth as a whole has slowed. The US is now inhospitable to large-scale manufacturing, due to laws that put any large operation at the mercy of unions, and regulations that impose enormous compliance costs on them as well.
>Percentage of workers represented in unions has not been as low as today in the last fifty years.[3]
That doesn't matter, because the laws that ensure any large manufacturing operation will inevitably see its workforce unionize, and subsequently be mandated by the government to engage in collective bargaining with the union to the exclusion of all other parties, are still in place. They keep manufacturing from returning.
[1] https://www.hoover.org/research/california-state-government-workers-earn-143000-twice-much-private-sector-workers https://www.hoover.org/research/california-state-government-...
[2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/05/26/why-new-york-is-in-trouble--290304-public-employees-with-100000-paychecks-cost-taxpayers-38-billion/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2020/05/26/why...
- esarbe 3y ago> So I reiterate, that the culprit is slowing productivity growth. You should continue reading the paragraph you cited. Because it continues > but that may not be surprising in view of the enormous economic losses that were precipitated by the financial crises. So, Bosworth does not see power of the unions as the reason for the slowing productivity. He sees it in the financial crisis. Please also see that in Fig. 1 of the article, we see that the goes up and down and up and down, without correlation to any union laws that would explain this; there were no big changes between 2005 an 2014 that would explain the numbers according to your hypothesis. Bosworth doesn't even mention unions. > The argument is [...] Neither of the two articles give your argument credible support. One is a pretty shallow opinion peace pulling numbers out of the air and the other one is a list of anecdotes about what looks very much like graft to me. Not sure what the second one has to do with unions. I think I agree that rent-takers incomes are responsible for reducing the general population's. Social welfare however is not what I have in mind, quite the contrary. > The effective tax rate of high income earners is much higher than that of a typical janitor.. These people have tax lawyers for a reason. W. Buffet even raised that issue in an 2012 interview[1]. It's become so bad, even millionaires are asking to fix the loopholes big as barn doors[2]. > This claim that manufacturing just offshored is unfounded. How devastating offshoring was to US industry is well examined.[3,4] Just 1993-2000 the U.S. economy lost an average of 30.3 million jobs per year. > Corporate earnings growth has slowed significantly since the 1950s A finite world can only allow for finite growth. It's basic physics. Not that that matters; corporate profits are still sky high - and growing higher still. But labor's share is shrinking and shrinking. Again, I cite Bosworth: > he new phenomenon is the decline in labor’s share of income for which we have no satisfactory explanation. And as a possible explanation he refers to the already mentioned causes; reduced bargaining power through the global market and through corporate consolidation, reduced competition between companies. > regulations that impose enormous compliance Bosworth also mentioned regulations as a cause for the reduced share of worker. And you know what? I agree with that. Especially gratuitous regulation that allows regulatory capture or that otherwise reduces competition should be carefully weeded out. > They keep manufacturing from returning. European manufacturing, although also impacted by offshoring, seems stable despite much, much stronger union laws than those of the U.S. Germany especially has very strong unions and is nevertheless considered a manufacturing powerhouse. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/01/warren-buffett-and-his-secretary-talk-taxes https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/01/warren-buffett... [2] https://patrioticmillionaires.org/2023/06/22/the-real-reason-we-want-to-raise-taxes-on-the-rich/ https://patrioticmillionaires.org/2023/06/22/the-real-reason... [3] https://www.americanprogress.org/article/offshoring-by-the-numbers/ https://www.americanprogress.org/article/offshoring-by-the-n... [4] https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/new-assessment-role-offshoring-decline-us-manufacturing-employment https://cepr.org/voxeu/columns/new-assessment-role-offshorin...