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Is https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues?q=is%3Aissue https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... the best plac

Is https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues?q=is%3Aissue https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... the best place to shame?

elbybasolis 3y ago
Attempting to open an issue yields this message: "An owner of this repository has limited the ability to comment to users that have contributed to this repository in the past."
- bsza 3y ago
  You can still report it as malware (which it actually is)
  - yomlica8 3y ago
    If only they had some sort of attestation scheme to root out dissent at the source.
deleted 3y ago
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jjoonathan 3y ago
Yoav Weiss is closing concern threads, calling them "spam." Ben Wiser ( https://benwiser.com https://benwiser.com ) turned off comments altogether.
- rapnie 3y ago
  May their names reach eternal infamy on Wikipedia. The Open Web. Creators: TBL et al, Destroyed-By: Google et al.
  - jjoonathan 3y ago
    > The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users. - Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page, The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine
- qjx 3y ago
  Yoav Weiss has a blog post from 6 days ago on his website. https://blog.yoav.ws/ https://blog.yoav.ws/ for a personal blog it has quite a lot of PR speak
  - jjoonathan 3y ago
    Oof. It does check, though, that the guy CoC-blocking all the github comments would have blog posts like the Professor Umbridge of the W3C.
    - shadowgovt 3y ago
      I think people like to take the easy way out of declaring those with a different mindset "evil." Everyone is the hero of their own story, and honestly there are multiple incompatible-but-internally-consistent models of how technologies can and should work. I think it's more useful to recognize these things than to write off a competing mindset (especially when the competing mindset is in a position of power). Consider incentives from Google's standpoint. They want to provide users a safe and secure experience. They want to simplify maintenance of software and provide developers the ability to simplify maintenance of software (a problem simplified by chopping the unbounded set of possible user agents down to a blessed, vetted subset). They have the resources to make their site screen-reader compatible, so they're not concerned about damage that could be done to screen-readers because they'll just bless one and support it. And, of course, they implicitly trust themselves to do all this. In that ecosystem, Weiss's viewpoint is completely reasonable. The old model of the web is old, and led to gestures broadly at all the bad things about the web today... fraud, users getting owned, CP, botnets, misinformation factories. I can definitely see the viewpoint where someone concludes "It's time for a new model, and this company has the resources to do it." I don't agree with him (and in fact I think the idea will fail; I think Google actually overestimates its ability to provide an equivalently-good user experience to what we have now if they aren't leveraging the unpaid labor of other vendors putting the effort into making their own houses work with Google's house without Google even being aware of their work). But I think it's useful to wrap our heads around how one gets into that headspace without thinking oneself a monster.
- dang 3y ago
  Please don't do this here. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. Edit: I suppose I need to add—no, we're not pro-$MegaCorp or pro-$web-destroying-dystopia. We're just trying to have an internet forum that doesn't suck, and you guys need to make your substantive points without degenerating into mob behavior. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
shmde 3y ago
https://github.com/chromium/chromium/commit/6f47a22906b2899412e79a2727355efa9cc8f5bd https://github.com/chromium/chromium/commit/6f47a22906b28994... Here.
38 3y ago
https://support.github.com/contact/report-abuse?category=report-content&report=RupertBenWiser&report_content_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FRupertBenWiser%2FWeb-Environment-Integrity&report_id=26461279&report_type=content https://support.github.com/contact/report-abuse?category=rep...
- smarx007 3y ago
  I think the right avenue is to complain to W3C instead. Especially in the light of https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/DNOTE-w3c-vision-20230725/#principles https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/DNOTE-w3c-vision-20230725/#princi... and violation of CoC https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/#unacceptablebehavior https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/#unacceptablebehavior ("Sustained disruption of discussion.") The problem is that the proposal has not yet been brought to W3C.
dang 3y ago
> the best place to shame? Please don't do this here. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. Edit: I suppose I need to add—no, we're not pro-$MegaCorp or pro-$web-destroying-dystopia. We're just trying to have an internet forum that doesn't suck, and you guys need to make your substantive points without degenerating into mob behavior. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- foobarbecue 3y ago
  Understood. Sorry about that. Shoulda known better.
  - dang 3y ago
    Appreciated!

Is https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues?q=is%3Aissue https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/... the best place to shame?

elbybasolis 3y ago

Attempting to open an issue yields this message: "An owner of this repository has limited the ability to comment to users that have contributed to this repository in the past."

bsza 3y ago
You can still report it as malware (which it actually is)
- yomlica8 3y ago
  If only they had some sort of attestation scheme to root out dissent at the source.

deleted 3y ago

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jjoonathan 3y ago

Yoav Weiss is closing concern threads, calling them "spam." Ben Wiser ( https://benwiser.com https://benwiser.com ) turned off comments altogether.

rapnie 3y ago
May their names reach eternal infamy on Wikipedia. The Open Web. Creators: TBL et al, Destroyed-By: Google et al.
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  > The goals of the advertising business model do not always correspond to providing quality search to users. - Sergey Brin and Lawrence Page, The Anatomy of a Large-Scale Hypertextual Web Search Engine
qjx 3y ago
Yoav Weiss has a blog post from 6 days ago on his website. https://blog.yoav.ws/ https://blog.yoav.ws/ for a personal blog it has quite a lot of PR speak
- jjoonathan 3y ago
  Oof. It does check, though, that the guy CoC-blocking all the github comments would have blog posts like the Professor Umbridge of the W3C.
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    I think people like to take the easy way out of declaring those with a different mindset "evil." Everyone is the hero of their own story, and honestly there are multiple incompatible-but-internally-consistent models of how technologies can and should work. I think it's more useful to recognize these things than to write off a competing mindset (especially when the competing mindset is in a position of power). Consider incentives from Google's standpoint. They want to provide users a safe and secure experience. They want to simplify maintenance of software and provide developers the ability to simplify maintenance of software (a problem simplified by chopping the unbounded set of possible user agents down to a blessed, vetted subset). They have the resources to make their site screen-reader compatible, so they're not concerned about damage that could be done to screen-readers because they'll just bless one and support it. And, of course, they implicitly trust themselves to do all this. In that ecosystem, Weiss's viewpoint is completely reasonable. The old model of the web is old, and led to gestures broadly at all the bad things about the web today... fraud, users getting owned, CP, botnets, misinformation factories. I can definitely see the viewpoint where someone concludes "It's time for a new model, and this company has the resources to do it." I don't agree with him (and in fact I think the idea will fail; I think Google actually overestimates its ability to provide an equivalently-good user experience to what we have now if they aren't leveraging the unpaid labor of other vendors putting the effort into making their own houses work with Google's house without Google even being aware of their work). But I think it's useful to wrap our heads around how one gets into that headspace without thinking oneself a monster.
dang 3y ago
Please don't do this here. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. Edit: I suppose I need to add—no, we're not pro-$MegaCorp or pro-$web-destroying-dystopia. We're just trying to have an internet forum that doesn't suck, and you guys need to make your substantive points without degenerating into mob behavior. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

shmde 3y ago

https://github.com/chromium/chromium/commit/6f47a22906b2899412e79a2727355efa9cc8f5bd https://github.com/chromium/chromium/commit/6f47a22906b28994... Here.

38 3y ago

https://support.github.com/contact/report-abuse?category=report-content&report=RupertBenWiser&report_content_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FRupertBenWiser%2FWeb-Environment-Integrity&report_id=26461279&report_type=content https://support.github.com/contact/report-abuse?category=rep...

smarx007 3y ago
I think the right avenue is to complain to W3C instead. Especially in the light of https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/DNOTE-w3c-vision-20230725/#principles https://www.w3.org/TR/2023/DNOTE-w3c-vision-20230725/#princi... and violation of CoC https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/#unacceptablebehavior https://www.w3.org/Consortium/cepc/#unacceptablebehavior ("Sustained disruption of discussion.") The problem is that the proposal has not yet been brought to W3C.

dang 3y ago

> the best place to shame? Please don't do this here. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. Edit: I suppose I need to add—no, we're not pro-$MegaCorp or pro-$web-destroying-dystopia. We're just trying to have an internet forum that doesn't suck, and you guys need to make your substantive points without degenerating into mob behavior. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

foobarbecue 3y ago
Understood. Sorry about that. Shoulda known better.
- dang 3y ago
  Appreciated!