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Not really, and the link between red meat and colon cancer is very well established and significant, much more than the alternatives.

gausswho 3y ago
Bacon is high on the list of pleasure inducing foods. Youi're going to have to share evidence to be convincing here.
- gjulianm 3y ago
  The evidence is well known and any Google search will produce it. Here's a document from WHO: https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Monographs-QA_Vol114.pdf https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Monograp... Spoiler: bacon (as it's a processed red meat) is classified as carcinogenic (Group 1), red meat as probable carcinogenic (Group 2A). There are quite a lot of analysis showing there's up to a 50% increase in overall cancer risk due to eating red meat and up to 70% with processed meat https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814621007032?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03088...
  - monkpit 3y ago
    TIL that pork is actually red meat! Interesting. I guess their ad campaign “the other white meat” worked on me. A google search does indeed confirm that pork is scientifically classified as red meat.
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    Neither of those links seem to include much evidence of causation (as opposed to the correlations they assert). Maybe the second one's evidence to that effect is behind the paywall? What measures did they take to rule out other causes? Are the mechanisms by which these substances allegedly cause cancer actually understood (as they are for e.g. tobacco)? (Also: not all bacon is processed)
    - gjulianm 3y ago
      Here is more detail about the mechanisms by which they could cause cancer: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30376922/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30376922/ And yes, all bacon, by definition, is processed meat according to WHO's definition. Bacon is salt-cured meat and the WHO considers processed meat as "meat that has been transformed through salting, curing, fermentation, smoking, or other processes".

gausswho 3y ago

Bacon is high on the list of pleasure inducing foods. Youi're going to have to share evidence to be convincing here.

gjulianm 3y ago
The evidence is well known and any Google search will produce it. Here's a document from WHO: https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Monographs-QA_Vol114.pdf https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Monograp... Spoiler: bacon (as it's a processed red meat) is classified as carcinogenic (Group 1), red meat as probable carcinogenic (Group 2A). There are quite a lot of analysis showing there's up to a 50% increase in overall cancer risk due to eating red meat and up to 70% with processed meat https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0308814621007032?via%3Dihub https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03088...
- monkpit 3y ago
  TIL that pork is actually red meat! Interesting. I guess their ad campaign “the other white meat” worked on me. A google search does indeed confirm that pork is scientifically classified as red meat.
- yellowapple 3y ago
  Neither of those links seem to include much evidence of causation (as opposed to the correlations they assert). Maybe the second one's evidence to that effect is behind the paywall? What measures did they take to rule out other causes? Are the mechanisms by which these substances allegedly cause cancer actually understood (as they are for e.g. tobacco)? (Also: not all bacon is processed)
  - gjulianm 3y ago
    Here is more detail about the mechanisms by which they could cause cancer: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30376922/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30376922/ And yes, all bacon, by definition, is processed meat according to WHO's definition. Bacon is salt-cured meat and the WHO considers processed meat as "meat that has been transformed through salting, curing, fermentation, smoking, or other processes".