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> That said be careful what you write and how you phrase it because it's one thing to have an opinion, and another to make a statement like that. That's the bl

by sph 3y ago

> That said be careful what you write and how you phrase it because it's one thing to have an opinion, and another to make a statement like that. That's the bloody point. Fuck having to walk on eggshells, especially when I made it quite clear I have no issues with that. I had to be quite careful with the wording, and I know exactly this opens me to be attacked and pointed out as a bigot because I equated gender identity struggles with identity in general. How dare I. We're all walking on eggshells and get quickly silenced if we even dare question it. I do not wish the Internet to operate under mob rule.

Propelloni 3y ago
No, what you are railing against is that your actions have consequences. But it is your choice wether you are willing to bear them and act or not and do not act. That's a basic anarchist tenet reaching back to the Cynics of ancient Greece. The things you say in public could be heard by someone and those someones have the gall to form an opinion of you you don't like -- some may even confront you about it. Disagreement, unemployability, hostility, these are among the prices we pay for saying things in public places such as the internet. You can decide to pay the price and maybe turn it into a fruitful discussion (granted, unlikely on the internet) or you can shut up and seethe with anger for "being silenced".
maccard 3y ago
You made a conscious decision to introduce gender identity into the discussion when nobody else was talking about it. It's not walking on eggshells for getting pulled up on you bringing up your beliefs when nobody asked. > especially when I made it quite clear I have no issues with that. No, you didn't. You pretty much said "just saying" as though that absolves you of what you actually said [0]. [0] https://www.npr.org/2010/12/18/132160770/its-rude-its-crude-its-stupid-just-sayin https://www.npr.org/2010/12/18/132160770/its-rude-its-crude-...
- nybdty 3y ago
  You are the one introducing gender identity into this subthread. The poster you reply to has done no such thing. People increasingly don't even read the posts before the go off on ideological rants and false accusations.
  - maccard 3y ago
    > People increasingly don't even read the posts before the go off on ideological rants and false accusations. Eh? The comment I replied to said `The only potentially "controversial" idea (as in, corp might not like it but will have to deal with it) that is still accepted in tech is being trans or a furry. I have no issue with either, mind you, just pointing out that anything else is a no-no.`
    - sph 3y ago
      I should be able to mention it en passant without having to dive deep into my opinions of the matter which are wholly unrelated and just a way to entrap me. The discussion is around identity, and mentioning that these days only gender identity is a corporate-acceptable struggle. I claim that identity in general should be celebrated. I shan't be afraid to say, on my blog I'm an anarchist, or, for argument's sake, I'm a satanist, I am trans, I vote Trump, Google is a shitty company, or Star Wars is a terrible franchise.
      - maccard 3y ago
        > I should be able to mention it en passant without having to dive deep into my opinions of the matter which are wholly unrelated No, you don't get to do that on any topic. If you write a blog post on a programming language feature, and in the middle of your post decide to slip in a note about your feelings on the middle east conflict, web3/crypto or your political opinions, expect people to talk about that. You decided it was important enough to mention in your post, so it's up for discussion. > and just a way to entrap me. Nah, you don't get "woe is me" card if you shoehorn in a dog whistle and get called out on it. > I shan't be afraid to say, on my blog I'm an anarchist, or, for argument's sake, I'm a satanist, I am trans, I vote Trump, Google is a shitty company, or Star Wars is a terrible franchise. Do that. But don't be surprised if people treat your words equally. If you can't keep your message on-point, that's a you problem, not an everyone else problem.
        sph 3y ago
        > you shoehorn in a dog whistle This is why social media is shit today. It's full of people unable to sustain intelligent discussion, so they try to find hidden meaning behind someone else's words. You see a dog whistle, I see a person that gets off doing online witch hunts, instead of simply knowing how to disagree. If you have to resort to the personal attack, it's quite obvious there is no intelligent argument to be had here. This is not Twitter. Good day.

by sph 3y ago

Propelloni 3y ago

No, what you are railing against is that your actions have consequences. But it is your choice wether you are willing to bear them and act or not and do not act. That's a basic anarchist tenet reaching back to the Cynics of ancient Greece. The things you say in public could be heard by someone and those someones have the gall to form an opinion of you you don't like -- some may even confront you about it. Disagreement, unemployability, hostility, these are among the prices we pay for saying things in public places such as the internet. You can decide to pay the price and maybe turn it into a fruitful discussion (granted, unlikely on the internet) or you can shut up and seethe with anger for "being silenced".

maccard 3y ago

You made a conscious decision to introduce gender identity into the discussion when nobody else was talking about it. It's not walking on eggshells for getting pulled up on you bringing up your beliefs when nobody asked. > especially when I made it quite clear I have no issues with that. No, you didn't. You pretty much said "just saying" as though that absolves you of what you actually said [0]. [0] https://www.npr.org/2010/12/18/132160770/its-rude-its-crude-its-stupid-just-sayin https://www.npr.org/2010/12/18/132160770/its-rude-its-crude-...

nybdty 3y ago
You are the one introducing gender identity into this subthread. The poster you reply to has done no such thing. People increasingly don't even read the posts before the go off on ideological rants and false accusations.
- maccard 3y ago
  > People increasingly don't even read the posts before the go off on ideological rants and false accusations. Eh? The comment I replied to said `The only potentially "controversial" idea (as in, corp might not like it but will have to deal with it) that is still accepted in tech is being trans or a furry. I have no issue with either, mind you, just pointing out that anything else is a no-no.`
  - sph 3y ago
    I should be able to mention it en passant without having to dive deep into my opinions of the matter which are wholly unrelated and just a way to entrap me. The discussion is around identity, and mentioning that these days only gender identity is a corporate-acceptable struggle. I claim that identity in general should be celebrated. I shan't be afraid to say, on my blog I'm an anarchist, or, for argument's sake, I'm a satanist, I am trans, I vote Trump, Google is a shitty company, or Star Wars is a terrible franchise.
    - maccard 3y ago
      > I should be able to mention it en passant without having to dive deep into my opinions of the matter which are wholly unrelated No, you don't get to do that on any topic. If you write a blog post on a programming language feature, and in the middle of your post decide to slip in a note about your feelings on the middle east conflict, web3/crypto or your political opinions, expect people to talk about that. You decided it was important enough to mention in your post, so it's up for discussion. > and just a way to entrap me. Nah, you don't get "woe is me" card if you shoehorn in a dog whistle and get called out on it. > I shan't be afraid to say, on my blog I'm an anarchist, or, for argument's sake, I'm a satanist, I am trans, I vote Trump, Google is a shitty company, or Star Wars is a terrible franchise. Do that. But don't be surprised if people treat your words equally. If you can't keep your message on-point, that's a you problem, not an everyone else problem.
      - sph 3y ago
        > you shoehorn in a dog whistle This is why social media is shit today. It's full of people unable to sustain intelligent discussion, so they try to find hidden meaning behind someone else's words. You see a dog whistle, I see a person that gets off doing online witch hunts, instead of simply knowing how to disagree. If you have to resort to the personal attack, it's quite obvious there is no intelligent argument to be had here. This is not Twitter. Good day.