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Dude's getting eviscerated for his opinions, but you're right, it's the attitude that's the red flag. I'd avoid hiring his political polar opposite too, if they

by flir 3y ago

Dude's getting eviscerated for his opinions, but you're right, it's the attitude that's the red flag. I'd avoid hiring his political polar opposite too, if they were this petty/angry about it. I wonder if he's going to listen to the advice and present as more milquetoast when using his real name, or double down.

pcthrowaway 3y ago
Even discounting finding his opinions objectionable (which, in my opinion, any reasonable person would), I'd pass on someone who posts this kind of content purely because they're a ticking time bomb. I don't want them to piss off a big client or explode because of a work disagreement while they're packing heat. I wouldn't want to hire them knowing that I might have to fear for my life even a little if I need to fire them one day. I mean I have some pretty fringe beliefs too (mainly on the strongly anti-capitalist, progressive side of things). I'm not stupid enough to post those ideas publicly because they're far more likely to hurt my chances of employment than to help them.
- flir 3y ago
  > which, in my opinion, any reasonable person would Well, yeah, but I'm European, which means I'm practically a Communist ;) I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt, because "dude, tone it down a bit, you're spookin' the horses" is easier to swallow than "everything you believe is wrong".
- gavinhoward 3y ago
  I know this, by the way. But it's a good thing that companies find this out because I'm not a good fit for a sterile work environment. My original post was not asking why; it was refuting the article that said it was a good thing in its face.
  - pcthrowaway 3y ago
    The original post is titled "it doesn't take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate" Not that I necessarily agree with that, but how are you refuting it? The posts that make you stand out the most don't really demonstrate creativity, nor do they make you stand out in a positive way (to most employers; perhaps not to any employers, since you're so publicly opinionated on a variety of things that are largely unrelated and yet also largely unaligned with the majority of tech workers) I'm not refuting that you have technical writing that could make you stand out in a positive way, but it's overshadowed by all the other stuff. It's like if someone posted "You only have to write one operating system from scratch to stand out as a candidate", and then Terry Davis (author of TempleOS) comes in and says "not true, I wrote an operating system and no one will hire me" Well sure, but if you look at the comments in the source code for that or any of his writing or videos, they're riddled with racial slurs. Obviously the OS itself is impressive, but no one wants to hire a liability
    - gavinhoward 3y ago
      I know this. The article had an implicit bent that standing out was good. When you're like me, it's not. That's what I was refuting.
      - pcthrowaway 3y ago
        The article didn't expressly say that in the title because it was clear from the context. The author is clearly talking about blogging to demonstrate expertise and creativity in the technical domain, in order to stand out positively. The author did not make the claim that ranting about your fringe opinions online will make you stand out positively. In fact, they didn't mention the impact that would have at all. You are fighting a straw man. > When you're like me, it's not It has nothing to do with being like you. You're not standing out positively because you're choosing to post things that make you stand out negatively, and the author made no claim about how that would impact you as a candidate.
  - kelnos 3y ago
    The article talks about how you can start building a relatively small online presence that can give you a leg up in job interviews. It doesn't say that any kind of online presence will do that. To offer an extreme example, if someone were to put up a website that advocates for child cannibalism, and then didn't get a tech job as a result, I don't think it'd be credible for them to say that their website refutes this article's point. As an aside, your comment that any work environment that might object to your views must be "sterile" is yet another piece of supporting evidence for why you might have trouble finding a job.

by flir 3y ago

pcthrowaway 3y ago

Even discounting finding his opinions objectionable (which, in my opinion, any reasonable person would), I'd pass on someone who posts this kind of content purely because they're a ticking time bomb. I don't want them to piss off a big client or explode because of a work disagreement while they're packing heat. I wouldn't want to hire them knowing that I might have to fear for my life even a little if I need to fire them one day. I mean I have some pretty fringe beliefs too (mainly on the strongly anti-capitalist, progressive side of things). I'm not stupid enough to post those ideas publicly because they're far more likely to hurt my chances of employment than to help them.

flir 3y ago
> which, in my opinion, any reasonable person would Well, yeah, but I'm European, which means I'm practically a Communist ;) I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt, because "dude, tone it down a bit, you're spookin' the horses" is easier to swallow than "everything you believe is wrong".
gavinhoward 3y ago
I know this, by the way. But it's a good thing that companies find this out because I'm not a good fit for a sterile work environment. My original post was not asking why; it was refuting the article that said it was a good thing in its face.
- pcthrowaway 3y ago
  The original post is titled "it doesn't take much public creativity to stand out as a job candidate" Not that I necessarily agree with that, but how are you refuting it? The posts that make you stand out the most don't really demonstrate creativity, nor do they make you stand out in a positive way (to most employers; perhaps not to any employers, since you're so publicly opinionated on a variety of things that are largely unrelated and yet also largely unaligned with the majority of tech workers) I'm not refuting that you have technical writing that could make you stand out in a positive way, but it's overshadowed by all the other stuff. It's like if someone posted "You only have to write one operating system from scratch to stand out as a candidate", and then Terry Davis (author of TempleOS) comes in and says "not true, I wrote an operating system and no one will hire me" Well sure, but if you look at the comments in the source code for that or any of his writing or videos, they're riddled with racial slurs. Obviously the OS itself is impressive, but no one wants to hire a liability
  - gavinhoward 3y ago
    I know this. The article had an implicit bent that standing out was good. When you're like me, it's not. That's what I was refuting.
    - pcthrowaway 3y ago
      The article didn't expressly say that in the title because it was clear from the context. The author is clearly talking about blogging to demonstrate expertise and creativity in the technical domain, in order to stand out positively. The author did not make the claim that ranting about your fringe opinions online will make you stand out positively. In fact, they didn't mention the impact that would have at all. You are fighting a straw man. > When you're like me, it's not It has nothing to do with being like you. You're not standing out positively because you're choosing to post things that make you stand out negatively, and the author made no claim about how that would impact you as a candidate.
- kelnos 3y ago
  The article talks about how you can start building a relatively small online presence that can give you a leg up in job interviews. It doesn't say that any kind of online presence will do that. To offer an extreme example, if someone were to put up a website that advocates for child cannibalism, and then didn't get a tech job as a result, I don't think it'd be credible for them to say that their website refutes this article's point. As an aside, your comment that any work environment that might object to your views must be "sterile" is yet another piece of supporting evidence for why you might have trouble finding a job.