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You want to separate e.g. iron from the trash before burning. I even think you can separate aluminum. Plastic is not a raw material really. It is probably bett

You want to separate e.g. iron from the trash before burning. I even think you can separate aluminum. Plastic is not a raw material really. It is probably better to burn it instead of doing landfills with it waiting for some miracle bacteria. We could use paper and cardboard for most plastic packaging and many uses of plastic packaging is useless, like those hard plastics around scissors or whatever in the store.

mschuster91 3y ago
> It is probably better to burn it instead of doing landfills with it waiting for some miracle bacteria. Still releases fossil-origin CO2, we can't afford that for global warming reasons. In a landfill the CO2 remains trapped. Agree on your reduction point, that is long overdue but will only happen with significant governmental regulations.
- henrikschroder 3y ago
  > In a landfill the CO2 remains trapped. Some, yes, but not all.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    Plastics take decades centuries to degrade, and most of that degradation is physical - it gets degraded to microplastics. As soon as it's in a landfill where it's not in motion or exposed to sunlight, it's essentially conserved for human lifetime cycles.
    - smileysteve 3y ago
      Until too much water makes it into the landfill, creates an acid with other mixed materials (like cardboard glues, household cleaners) and then leaches the acids and plastic and heavy metal into the aquifer. Most landfills near me with liners made in the last 30 years have acid problems and liner breaches
- rightbyte 3y ago
  I was going to write that plastics has to be bogger all in weight, but it is 100 kg per person and year in Europe and 200 kg in the US, which is kinda surprising. There has to be due to industrial or commercial usage right? I mean, I would be surprised if I used more than even 10 kg of plastics per year. That is like 1000s of plastic bags, and I and most people use paper bags anyways.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    That figure may include clothing, of which an utter utter majority is plastics-based nowadays.

mschuster91 3y ago

> It is probably better to burn it instead of doing landfills with it waiting for some miracle bacteria. Still releases fossil-origin CO2, we can't afford that for global warming reasons. In a landfill the CO2 remains trapped. Agree on your reduction point, that is long overdue but will only happen with significant governmental regulations.

henrikschroder 3y ago
> In a landfill the CO2 remains trapped. Some, yes, but not all.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  Plastics take decades centuries to degrade, and most of that degradation is physical - it gets degraded to microplastics. As soon as it's in a landfill where it's not in motion or exposed to sunlight, it's essentially conserved for human lifetime cycles.
  - smileysteve 3y ago
    Until too much water makes it into the landfill, creates an acid with other mixed materials (like cardboard glues, household cleaners) and then leaches the acids and plastic and heavy metal into the aquifer. Most landfills near me with liners made in the last 30 years have acid problems and liner breaches
rightbyte 3y ago
I was going to write that plastics has to be bogger all in weight, but it is 100 kg per person and year in Europe and 200 kg in the US, which is kinda surprising. There has to be due to industrial or commercial usage right? I mean, I would be surprised if I used more than even 10 kg of plastics per year. That is like 1000s of plastic bags, and I and most people use paper bags anyways.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  That figure may include clothing, of which an utter utter majority is plastics-based nowadays.