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The full picture is apparently that after years of full time work by 400-person team Fuchsia is more like "nothing OS" instead of "a smart speaker OS"...

9dev 3y ago
This story’s carrying a beautiful irony about tech giants that seems to be lost on FAANG‘s entirely.
- astrange 3y ago
  Only Google has this bad execution. The other MANGAs are pretty good at it.
  - 9dev 3y ago
    Far as I remember, all of them engage in some ridiculous wheel handcarving projects. Just because Google does it badly doesn't mean the others are more reasonable in catering to their NIH syndrome.
akmittal 3y ago
It can run on few devices like - Acer Switch Alpha 12 - Intel NUC - Google Pixelbook Its build by Google so im not sure it will get mainstream or just killed. But calling it "nothing OS" is big understatement, When was the last time a new OS from scratch was created? or if we comparing it to linux/Windows/Mac Im sure a lot people work on these https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/docs/+/refs/changes/56/101356/4/fuchsia_paver.md#:~:text=Fuchsia%20has%20good%20support%20for,compatible%20with%20ARM%2Dbased%20targets https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/docs/+/refs/changes/56/1013....
- desi_ninja 3y ago
  Serenity OS : by 1 person https://serenityos.org/ https://serenityos.org/
- dharmab 3y ago
  https://collapseos.org https://collapseos.org also by one person
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    And Dusk OS, by the same person.
- rakoo 3y ago
  Ares https://ares-os.org/ https://ares-os.org/
- shakow 3y ago
  > When was the last time a new OS from scratch was created? On top of all the sibling comments, Redox (https://www.redox-os.org/ https://www.redox-os.org/) & TempleOS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS)
  - cubefox 3y ago
    He probably meant "usable OS fit for mass market adoption". Of course one person can develop a bare bones OS, but this will be missing so many things compared to established systems, while providing too few advantages, that any wide adoption is impossible. Even Microsoft, with well over a thousand (IIRC) Windows developers, had to scale back their Longhorn plans substantially.
- bluGill 3y ago
  There are college classes where you write an OS from scratch in a semester. The basics of a modern OS are not difficult. The vast majority of the effort in any OS is all the different hardware you need to support.
- fauigerzigerk 3y ago
  If we're talking about commercial operating systems then Windows NT comes to mind. Here's what they say: "In 1988, when the project first began, the team comprised about 20 engineers. By the time the first version of Windows NT shipped five years later, the team had expanded to about 150 engineers as it battled constraints and tradeoffs." https://news.microsoft.com/features/the-engineers-engineer-computer-industry-luminaries-salute-dave-cutlers-five-decade-long-quest-for-quality/ https://news.microsoft.com/features/the-engineers-engineer-c... But I think comparing these team sizes is not very meaningful without at least a cursory look at what is part of the project and what isn't. Is it just the kernel? Does it include an entire graphics pipeline, a UI toolkit, a network stack, device drivers?
timeon 3y ago
Was it supposed to be "a smart speaker OS"? Does not this "nothing OS" already run on Nest Hub? Why do you post such vague claims that are not even correct?

9dev 3y ago

This story’s carrying a beautiful irony about tech giants that seems to be lost on FAANG‘s entirely.

astrange 3y ago
Only Google has this bad execution. The other MANGAs are pretty good at it.
- 9dev 3y ago
  Far as I remember, all of them engage in some ridiculous wheel handcarving projects. Just because Google does it badly doesn't mean the others are more reasonable in catering to their NIH syndrome.

akmittal 3y ago

It can run on few devices like - Acer Switch Alpha 12 - Intel NUC - Google Pixelbook Its build by Google so im not sure it will get mainstream or just killed. But calling it "nothing OS" is big understatement, When was the last time a new OS from scratch was created? or if we comparing it to linux/Windows/Mac Im sure a lot people work on these https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/docs/+/refs/changes/56/101356/4/fuchsia_paver.md#:~:text=Fuchsia%20has%20good%20support%20for,compatible%20with%20ARM%2Dbased%20targets https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/docs/+/refs/changes/56/1013....

desi_ninja 3y ago
Serenity OS : by 1 person https://serenityos.org/ https://serenityos.org/
dharmab 3y ago
https://collapseos.org https://collapseos.org also by one person
- yellowapple 3y ago
  And Dusk OS, by the same person.
rakoo 3y ago
Ares https://ares-os.org/ https://ares-os.org/
shakow 3y ago
> When was the last time a new OS from scratch was created? On top of all the sibling comments, Redox (https://www.redox-os.org/ https://www.redox-os.org/) & TempleOS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS)
- cubefox 3y ago
  He probably meant "usable OS fit for mass market adoption". Of course one person can develop a bare bones OS, but this will be missing so many things compared to established systems, while providing too few advantages, that any wide adoption is impossible. Even Microsoft, with well over a thousand (IIRC) Windows developers, had to scale back their Longhorn plans substantially.
bluGill 3y ago
There are college classes where you write an OS from scratch in a semester. The basics of a modern OS are not difficult. The vast majority of the effort in any OS is all the different hardware you need to support.
fauigerzigerk 3y ago
If we're talking about commercial operating systems then Windows NT comes to mind. Here's what they say: "In 1988, when the project first began, the team comprised about 20 engineers. By the time the first version of Windows NT shipped five years later, the team had expanded to about 150 engineers as it battled constraints and tradeoffs." https://news.microsoft.com/features/the-engineers-engineer-computer-industry-luminaries-salute-dave-cutlers-five-decade-long-quest-for-quality/ https://news.microsoft.com/features/the-engineers-engineer-c... But I think comparing these team sizes is not very meaningful without at least a cursory look at what is part of the project and what isn't. Is it just the kernel? Does it include an entire graphics pipeline, a UI toolkit, a network stack, device drivers?

timeon 3y ago

Was it supposed to be "a smart speaker OS"? Does not this "nothing OS" already run on Nest Hub? Why do you post such vague claims that are not even correct?