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The tuna tank at the Monterey Bay aquarium is a must see.

by User23 3y ago

cb5r 3y ago
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- deadbolt 3y ago
  > We can protect endangered species by supporting habitat conservation – not animal prisons. Could, but we don't.
  - cb5r 3y ago
    Is this your personal opinion or the sad acknowledgement of humanity's negative impact on all non-human animals on this planet?
    - deadbolt 3y ago
      Well I suppose it's both. However I would say we're setting up for a very large negative impact on most animals on the planet, including humans. Your post was flagged (not by me) so I can't go back for exact context, but I do agree with you, zoos are pretty messed up. I feel like seeing wildlife, even in non-native habitats, may help encourage people to act to conserve that wildlife. Seeing a creature in real life is different than in a video. Edit: I went back and looked at your replies to other people. I will have to think about this more.
      - cb5r 3y ago
        Oh, I didn't see it got flagged... Breaks my heart every time to see this happen when someone gives a voice to the voiceless. Then again, I would have disagreed with myself only 3 years ago, before I took some time to inform myself about ethics, especially in regard to non-human animals. Wish I'd have done it sooner...
- Panzer04 3y ago
  This is one of those cases where the benefits of zoos in terms of public outreach etc probably help more than a bunch of isolated habitats that aren't maintainable without public awareness and support. I guess you can argue from a perspective that if you're already aware its worth avoiding?
  - cb5r 3y ago
    Do you have any study or something supporting your claim that this/such a zoo's benefits outweigh the cons? I am well aware of its worth avoiding harming animals. This includes capturing them, holding them against their will, using them, forcibly breeding them and killing them for profit and food. I have also been to many zoos in my life but I only got this perspective by watching educational documentaries, reading up on the topic and, most importantly, applying simple reasoning, like: "Would we do this to humans? Would I volunteer to be in their situation for the rest of my life?"
    - McSwag 3y ago
      Purely another anecdote from my own personal experience, When watching anything on a TV screen I never feel like I have the same tangible connection with what I’m viewing. There’s some innate connection that happens when I make real eye contact with another mammal only feet away from me. You can’t really earn the respect for nature or the respect of nature from a documentary. Honestly it’s this same lack of connection I get on Zoom calls and I think it’s undervalued and difficult, if not impossible to measure. I do think zoos have positively impacted many people, myself included, my kids (who are extremely passionate about taking care of the planet and animals partly due to their exposure). Of course I also feel the need to explain the business/darker side of zoos but young kids aren’t ready for the world to be so grim. They need to start learning coming from a place of optimism and hope. There will always be time for the other parts when they might actually be able to do something about it.
- ars 3y ago
  Without zoos people don't learn to care about animals as children, and without caring about them as children they certainly don't as adults. A video is simply not the same.
  - paulcole 3y ago
    gestures broadly at the world And how well do you think zoos are doing at helping people care about animals? We continue to eat them, destroy their homes, etc.
    - ars 3y ago
      Do you, personally, care? Seems to me: Yes. And you are not alone, so actually, yah, it's working. And why are you mentioning "eat them" there's nothing wrong with that. Destroy their homes is quite unrelated.
      - paulcole 3y ago
        No, I think generally most people don’t care about animals or else they wouldn’t act the way they act. I generally do care but I don’t care that much. If somebody said I could save the life of a random person in the world or a random cow in the world, I’d probably pick the person. But I wouldn’t feel bad about picking the cow. Really doesn’t matter either way. People eating animals in the developed world is almost without fail “wrong” because of the inhumane practices surrounding getting the meat off of the animal and into our mouths. Sure, plenty of people hunt their own venison or catch their own catfish but let’s get real. But that’s fine. Humans “won” and the world is ours to wreck. I don’t fault anyone for not caring or for living the way they do.
      - cb5r 3y ago
        In almost every case imaginable it is wrong to "eating them". Eating them implies taking their life against their will. Please supply one single reason why this is not wrong:
  - cb5r 3y ago
    There are absolutely no positive benefits for people and especially children to visit zoos. Quite the opposite is the case: By visiting zoos, children get taught at a very early age that it is OK to capture animals and use them against their will for amusement purposes / profit. They get presented the animals in a completely unnatural habitat. Most of these animals have developed mental disorders due to their situation. Please feel free to read some of the research on this - there is plenty more: References: - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261254556_Evaluating_Children's_Conservation_Biology_Learning_at_the_Zoo https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261254556_Evaluatin... - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338313609_Psychological_well-being_in_zoo_animals https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338313609_Psycholog...
- thepostman0 3y ago
  This specific documentary https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14152756/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14152756/ So many things I didn't appreciate
  - cb5r 3y ago
    ^ THIS is a must see. Not all zoos in the world combined will educate you like this 90 minute video does.
  - e40 3y ago
    I am conflicted about this documentary. I was totally amazed by it, but then saw a very long analysis of it by a supposed expert that said a bunch of things in the doc were untrue. I searched for more info but didn’t find much. I didn’t see what I read by googling “seaspiracy facts” but you will see some opposing views, including some people in the documentary.
    - NavinF 3y ago
      You're giving that documentary too much credit. It's full of deliberate misinformation, most of which is summarized here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaspiracy/comments/mgtbe8/factchecking_seaspiracy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaspiracy/comments/mgtbe8/factchec...
      - e40 3y ago
        Well, it is just someone on the internet posting a rebuttal. But, I do believe the doc is probably not trustworthy.
- wirrbel 3y ago
  As long as we are slaughtering animals for food, public zoos are our least concern. Of course they need to be regulated
  - cb5r 3y ago
    Slaughtering animals for food is indeed a much bigger problem and probably one of largest issues we currently have - ranging over ethical issues, environmental issues, health issues and socioeconomic issues. However, this does not mean that "smaller" problems are somehow not worth mentioning/tackling. IMO zoos, just like TV shows for children in which cartoon animals are portrayed to live happy lives on farms, happy cows on products, etc. are all tiny little but VERY effective weapons for the industry to manipulate people into thinking that using animals for profit is actually good, because the animals are said to be so happy. The opposite is true.

The tuna tank at the Monterey Bay aquarium is a must see.

by User23 3y ago

The tuna tank at the Monterey Bay aquarium is a must see.

cb5r 3y ago

[flagged]

deadbolt 3y ago
> We can protect endangered species by supporting habitat conservation – not animal prisons. Could, but we don't.
- cb5r 3y ago
  Is this your personal opinion or the sad acknowledgement of humanity's negative impact on all non-human animals on this planet?
  - deadbolt 3y ago
    Well I suppose it's both. However I would say we're setting up for a very large negative impact on most animals on the planet, including humans. Your post was flagged (not by me) so I can't go back for exact context, but I do agree with you, zoos are pretty messed up. I feel like seeing wildlife, even in non-native habitats, may help encourage people to act to conserve that wildlife. Seeing a creature in real life is different than in a video. Edit: I went back and looked at your replies to other people. I will have to think about this more.
    - cb5r 3y ago
      Oh, I didn't see it got flagged... Breaks my heart every time to see this happen when someone gives a voice to the voiceless. Then again, I would have disagreed with myself only 3 years ago, before I took some time to inform myself about ethics, especially in regard to non-human animals. Wish I'd have done it sooner...
Panzer04 3y ago
This is one of those cases where the benefits of zoos in terms of public outreach etc probably help more than a bunch of isolated habitats that aren't maintainable without public awareness and support. I guess you can argue from a perspective that if you're already aware its worth avoiding?
- cb5r 3y ago
  Do you have any study or something supporting your claim that this/such a zoo's benefits outweigh the cons? I am well aware of its worth avoiding harming animals. This includes capturing them, holding them against their will, using them, forcibly breeding them and killing them for profit and food. I have also been to many zoos in my life but I only got this perspective by watching educational documentaries, reading up on the topic and, most importantly, applying simple reasoning, like: "Would we do this to humans? Would I volunteer to be in their situation for the rest of my life?"
  - McSwag 3y ago
    Purely another anecdote from my own personal experience, When watching anything on a TV screen I never feel like I have the same tangible connection with what I’m viewing. There’s some innate connection that happens when I make real eye contact with another mammal only feet away from me. You can’t really earn the respect for nature or the respect of nature from a documentary. Honestly it’s this same lack of connection I get on Zoom calls and I think it’s undervalued and difficult, if not impossible to measure. I do think zoos have positively impacted many people, myself included, my kids (who are extremely passionate about taking care of the planet and animals partly due to their exposure). Of course I also feel the need to explain the business/darker side of zoos but young kids aren’t ready for the world to be so grim. They need to start learning coming from a place of optimism and hope. There will always be time for the other parts when they might actually be able to do something about it.
ars 3y ago
Without zoos people don't learn to care about animals as children, and without caring about them as children they certainly don't as adults. A video is simply not the same.
- paulcole 3y ago
  gestures broadly at the world And how well do you think zoos are doing at helping people care about animals? We continue to eat them, destroy their homes, etc.
  - ars 3y ago
    Do you, personally, care? Seems to me: Yes. And you are not alone, so actually, yah, it's working. And why are you mentioning "eat them" there's nothing wrong with that. Destroy their homes is quite unrelated.
    - paulcole 3y ago
      No, I think generally most people don’t care about animals or else they wouldn’t act the way they act. I generally do care but I don’t care that much. If somebody said I could save the life of a random person in the world or a random cow in the world, I’d probably pick the person. But I wouldn’t feel bad about picking the cow. Really doesn’t matter either way. People eating animals in the developed world is almost without fail “wrong” because of the inhumane practices surrounding getting the meat off of the animal and into our mouths. Sure, plenty of people hunt their own venison or catch their own catfish but let’s get real. But that’s fine. Humans “won” and the world is ours to wreck. I don’t fault anyone for not caring or for living the way they do.
    - cb5r 3y ago
      In almost every case imaginable it is wrong to "eating them". Eating them implies taking their life against their will. Please supply one single reason why this is not wrong:
- cb5r 3y ago
  There are absolutely no positive benefits for people and especially children to visit zoos. Quite the opposite is the case: By visiting zoos, children get taught at a very early age that it is OK to capture animals and use them against their will for amusement purposes / profit. They get presented the animals in a completely unnatural habitat. Most of these animals have developed mental disorders due to their situation. Please feel free to read some of the research on this - there is plenty more: References: - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261254556_Evaluating_Children's_Conservation_Biology_Learning_at_the_Zoo https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261254556_Evaluatin... - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338313609_Psychological_well-being_in_zoo_animals https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338313609_Psycholog...
thepostman0 3y ago
This specific documentary https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14152756/ https://m.imdb.com/title/tt14152756/ So many things I didn't appreciate
- cb5r 3y ago
  ^ THIS is a must see. Not all zoos in the world combined will educate you like this 90 minute video does.
- e40 3y ago
  I am conflicted about this documentary. I was totally amazed by it, but then saw a very long analysis of it by a supposed expert that said a bunch of things in the doc were untrue. I searched for more info but didn’t find much. I didn’t see what I read by googling “seaspiracy facts” but you will see some opposing views, including some people in the documentary.
  - NavinF 3y ago
    You're giving that documentary too much credit. It's full of deliberate misinformation, most of which is summarized here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaspiracy/comments/mgtbe8/factchecking_seaspiracy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Seaspiracy/comments/mgtbe8/factchec...
    - e40 3y ago
      Well, it is just someone on the internet posting a rebuttal. But, I do believe the doc is probably not trustworthy.
wirrbel 3y ago
As long as we are slaughtering animals for food, public zoos are our least concern. Of course they need to be regulated
- cb5r 3y ago
  Slaughtering animals for food is indeed a much bigger problem and probably one of largest issues we currently have - ranging over ethical issues, environmental issues, health issues and socioeconomic issues. However, this does not mean that "smaller" problems are somehow not worth mentioning/tackling. IMO zoos, just like TV shows for children in which cartoon animals are portrayed to live happy lives on farms, happy cows on products, etc. are all tiny little but VERY effective weapons for the industry to manipulate people into thinking that using animals for profit is actually good, because the animals are said to be so happy. The opposite is true.