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What part of this is different from HN as it is?
by elliotec 3y ago
What part of this is different from HN as it is?
- anonzzzies 3y agoHN is good, but a little too much politics topics for my taste, but yes, not for nothing I am here. I was talking about my ideal (utopia) forum which will never happen. Now I am still on reddit for 3 subs and HN and lobsters.
- nnurmanov 3y agoAre you ok to share those 3 subs on reddit?
- anonzzzies 3y agoSure - r/programminglanguages - r/lisp - r/functionalprogramming
- pwpw 3y agoThe issue with lobsters is the difficulty of joining it, which I suppose is a feature.
- midoridensha 3y agoWell, for one thing, HN discussions don't just disappear after a while.
- lmm 3y agoToo many HN comments nowadays are a) dumb jokes b) disinformation that it would take too much effort to correct kindly. In the old days those comments were corrected harshly and that kept the community quality high (both because it kept the discussion more accurate at first order, and because it drove away users who couldn't take their lumps). Nowadays they are not corrected at all.
- anonzzzies 3y agoYes, there are more reddit like comments now. Moderating is a really hard job when sites are very active.
- lmm 3y agoI don't think it's an activity level issue. When dang took over he made an explicit shift to prioritizing kindness, with predictable results.
- uh0h 3y ago[dead]
- smokel 3y agoI don't think one can easily compare HN to other forums, so saying the results are predictable is a bit harsh. I have been in many irc channels that were extremely harsh on cluebies, but all the flaming turned into a sport by itself, and drove away from the content. The same goes for usenet, many subreddits, and Twitter. I think HN is doing amazingly well after such a long time. It would be guesswork to say how it would end up with a less kind moderator. I for one would have left, but perhaps I'm too kind. It is annoying that people spread misinformation, but a quick scan of a user's comment history often gives a good indication of their credibility.
- lmm 3y ago> I don't think one can easily compare HN to other forums, so saying the results are predictable is a bit harsh. Well, I predicted them at the time (and IIRC commented as much), and that's been borne out. > I have been in many irc channels that were extremely harsh on cluebies, but all the flaming turned into a sport by itself, and drove away from the content. The same goes for usenet, many subreddits, and Twitter. You can definitely go too far. Kind is better than harsh all else being equal, and you should never reward cruelty for its own sake. > I think HN is doing amazingly well after such a long time. It would be guesswork to say how it would end up with a less kind moderator. I for one would have left, but perhaps I'm too kind. For me HN inherited an amazing community that has since gradually declined, and almost all visible moderator interventions have had a negative impact. I certainly think e.g. nudging out Chris Stucchio did more harm than good.
- OldGuyInTheClub 3y agoI don't think of HN as a place to initiate a discussion or ask a question. I've contributed two items which never got any visibility or responses. But, I'm fine with contributing to a thread that makes it to the first few pages if I think I have something to say.
- nnurmanov 3y agoIMO, HN they should introduce tags and include them to range the visibility. This way we could have more visibility for specific areas.
- Youden 3y agoHN isn't a good place for discussion in my opinion due to the (explicitly allowed) practice of downvoting comments you don't agree with. If you'll be penalized for saying something people disagree with, you won't say it, or you'll say it and I'll be downvoted until it's hidden. This leads to HN threads usually being dominated with a few majority opinions and any real discussion being killed-off or buried. This is basically the same as Reddit. If you want real discussion you often need to sort by controversial.
- OldGuyInTheClub 3y agoI'm still coming up to speed on downvoting. The down arrows appeared for me suddenly a couple of weeks ago but not for every post. At least for now I find them useful. I have read a lot of grayed posts to get a feeling for what's going on and usually see why. I've upvoted a few where I thought the author was on point.
- Redoubts 3y ago> The down arrows appeared for me suddenly a couple of weeks ago but not for every post. I believe you get access to downvotes after 500 karma, and only for up to a day after the comment was made
- Balgair 3y agoOne quirk about HN is that if you complain about the downvotes, you'll get even more. The community does seem to treat karma as the truly imaginary internet points they are.
- npn 3y agoHN is a laughing joke now, compare to the old days. For every popular thread there are at least 50% of comments are outright wrong, or unimportant bike-shedding. To the point some people created a satire website called n-gate some years before just to laugh at HN. And for sure for every top place popular HN thread right now there will be a lot of people posting the link just to laugh at the comments.
- drewcoo 3y agoEven n-gate apparently found it too hard or painful to keep up with everything on HN. http://n-gate.com/hackernews/ http://n-gate.com/hackernews/
- photonerd 3y agoHN has its positives, but there’s a good reason it’s derisively known as “the angry orange website” in many tech circles.
- nnurmanov 3y agoWhat do you think the anonymity makes the locals' angrier? While anonymity can encourage people to provide honest feedback, I also had an experience where I received negative feedback for nothing:)
- sph 3y agoNot many hackers left round these parts. The Eternal September hit hard.
- lost_tourist 3y agoHN isn't pretty much guaranteed to be dead in a year or two and it can also be archived easily.