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Yes I eat chicken and vegetarian meals 95% of the time. I'm building furniture myself and not using Ikea. I never go to Starbucks and I've had McDonalds proba

Yes I eat chicken and vegetarian meals 95% of the time. I'm building furniture myself and not using Ikea. I never go to Starbucks and I've had McDonalds probably 5 times in ten years. This reinforces my point, millions of other people go to McDonalds each day because it's cheap food, I can't judge them for it. So me never eating McDonalds and building my own furniture from recycled timber means hardly anything and the rain forest is still fucked. The US Government should do more about it. Not me.

myshpa 3y ago
> Yes I eat chicken, and vegetarian meals 95% of the time Soy it is then ;) https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsufs.2019.00036/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsufs.2019.0003... Soybean is one of the primary ingredients in poultry diets ... 77% of soy is for animal feed (source higher in the thread) > So me never eating it means hardly anything and the rain forest is still fucked. ... Not me. > The US Government should do more about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance Be well.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Chicken flesh, is food, whether you like it or not. So is Tofu, and this also comes for Brazil and other countries which have chopped down many of their forests, such as the USA. I'll assume you're a vegetarian, and you're probably eating legumes and the legumes you're eating are exported from a country where people cannot afford them. This was an issue I had with being vegetarian, one, I was hungry and tired a lot of the time and I needed a lot more time to prepare meals to feel better. Second, most legumes I had access too where taken from India, Mexico and South Amerca, thus people in those countries were going without. I'll continue to eat food...and if I can't get access to it readily, I'll take it by other means. So I get it, you're being smug, but you're dismissing the fact that people need to eat food. This should have priority over burning fossil fuels for energy. You've not refuted shit with your graphs. McDonalds isn't going to shut down for you. They' just drop their prices to lure people back. Be well.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    > Chicken flesh, is food, ... So is Tofu ... thus people in those countries were going without. One takes 77% of the land, the other one 7%. We have so many animals to feed, that we need to deforest the Amazon (that was the discussion about, wasn't it) to be able to feed them all. Just by those numbers alone it's clear that without the need to feed those armies of domestic animals we'd been able to slash international trade of those foods significantly. Were we not growing corn and seeds for animals, we'd have a lot of space to feed our populations with veggies. > which have chopped down many of their forests, such as the USA Again, if our needs were not that high, we wouldn't need to cut anything, but we'd be able to regrow them. > I'll assume you're a vegetarian No, vegan. And by choosing to eat legumes and peas I'm using 10-100x less land compared to the regular carnist. > an issue I had with being vegetarian, one, I was hungry and tired Sometimes people try to remove meat and eating just the rest. Or when being vegan, to be a fruitarian or eat raw veggies. Or they eat just the processed stuff. Beer, cocacola and oreos are vegan, but not healthy and cannot sustain you for long. You have to make sure you're eating properly. In this day and age there are caloric tables online, meal plans, sites full of recipes, studies etc. etc. But let's not pretend it's overly complicated. 25% of your plate should be proteins (lentils, beans, tofu, tempeh, seitan, peas ...), 25% whole grains (brown rice, quinoa, whole wheat bread, whole grain pasta), 30% vegetables (variety of colors to get different nutriets), 10-15% fruit (apple, banana, berries), 5-10% fats (avocados, nuts, seeds, or a drizzle of olive oil). That's it. No vegans think twice about it when cooking. Variety is a key for filling and healthy diet. With such diet you won't feel hungry. I did it wrong too, few decades ago, turned vegetarian and ate as badly as my girlfriend did. I couldn't do it longer than few months, then ate meat for many years again, in big quantities, until I've realized how big problem the animal ag is for the planet and for survival of our children. Then I've learned cooking vegan and have not been hungry or feeling deprived of anything since :) > I'll continue to eat food...and if I can't get access to it readily, I'll take it by other means See ... animal ag will leave us scorched earth and gives us very real chance of an environmental collapse. Then people with such attitudes will fight for the scraps. I'd prefer if we'd tried to prevent such future. > you're dismissing the fact that people need to eat food You're dismissing plants as not being food. We eat meat for 4 reasons, and for 4 reasons only: tradition, convenience, culture, and taste. We already get something like 63% proteins and 82% of calories from plants. > You've not refuted shit with your graphs. Those graphs (and studies) are better than you think.

myshpa 3y ago

> Yes I eat chicken, and vegetarian meals 95% of the time Soy it is then ;) https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsufs.2019.00036/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fsufs.2019.0003... Soybean is one of the primary ingredients in poultry diets ... 77% of soy is for animal feed (source higher in the thread) > So me never eating it means hardly anything and the rain forest is still fucked. ... Not me. > The US Government should do more about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance Be well.

ChatGTP 3y ago
Chicken flesh, is food, whether you like it or not. So is Tofu, and this also comes for Brazil and other countries which have chopped down many of their forests, such as the USA. I'll assume you're a vegetarian, and you're probably eating legumes and the legumes you're eating are exported from a country where people cannot afford them. This was an issue I had with being vegetarian, one, I was hungry and tired a lot of the time and I needed a lot more time to prepare meals to feel better. Second, most legumes I had access too where taken from India, Mexico and South Amerca, thus people in those countries were going without. I'll continue to eat food...and if I can't get access to it readily, I'll take it by other means. So I get it, you're being smug, but you're dismissing the fact that people need to eat food. This should have priority over burning fossil fuels for energy. You've not refuted shit with your graphs. McDonalds isn't going to shut down for you. They' just drop their prices to lure people back. Be well.
- myshpa 3y ago
  > Chicken flesh, is food, ... So is Tofu ... thus people in those countries were going without. One takes 77% of the land, the other one 7%. We have so many animals to feed, that we need to deforest the Amazon (that was the discussion about, wasn't it) to be able to feed them all. Just by those numbers alone it's clear that without the need to feed those armies of domestic animals we'd been able to slash international trade of those foods significantly. Were we not growing corn and seeds for animals, we'd have a lot of space to feed our populations with veggies. > which have chopped down many of their forests, such as the USA Again, if our needs were not that high, we wouldn't need to cut anything, but we'd be able to regrow them. > I'll assume you're a vegetarian No, vegan. And by choosing to eat legumes and peas I'm using 10-100x less land compared to the regular carnist. > an issue I had with being vegetarian, one, I was hungry and tired Sometimes people try to remove meat and eating just the rest. Or when being vegan, to be a fruitarian or eat raw veggies. Or they eat just the processed stuff. Beer, cocacola and oreos are vegan, but not healthy and cannot sustain you for long. You have to make sure you're eating properly. In this day and age there are caloric tables online, meal plans, sites full of recipes, studies etc. etc. But let's not pretend it's overly complicated. 25% of your plate should be proteins (lentils, beans, tofu, tempeh, seitan, peas ...), 25% whole grains (brown rice, quinoa, whole wheat bread, whole grain pasta), 30% vegetables (variety of colors to get different nutriets), 10-15% fruit (apple, banana, berries), 5-10% fats (avocados, nuts, seeds, or a drizzle of olive oil). That's it. No vegans think twice about it when cooking. Variety is a key for filling and healthy diet. With such diet you won't feel hungry. I did it wrong too, few decades ago, turned vegetarian and ate as badly as my girlfriend did. I couldn't do it longer than few months, then ate meat for many years again, in big quantities, until I've realized how big problem the animal ag is for the planet and for survival of our children. Then I've learned cooking vegan and have not been hungry or feeling deprived of anything since :) > I'll continue to eat food...and if I can't get access to it readily, I'll take it by other means See ... animal ag will leave us scorched earth and gives us very real chance of an environmental collapse. Then people with such attitudes will fight for the scraps. I'd prefer if we'd tried to prevent such future. > you're dismissing the fact that people need to eat food You're dismissing plants as not being food. We eat meat for 4 reasons, and for 4 reasons only: tradition, convenience, culture, and taste. We already get something like 63% proteins and 82% of calories from plants. > You've not refuted shit with your graphs. Those graphs (and studies) are better than you think.