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This is awesome news and a great addition to the trend of power coming back to the workers that I feel like I'm noticing lately. Super exciting: if you're a lab

This is awesome news and a great addition to the trend of power coming back to the workers that I feel like I'm noticing lately. Super exciting: if you're a laborer, you should feel inspired by this. Collective bargaining is a seriously powerful tool.

ryandrake 3y ago
Excellent news indeed. Looking at the list of bullet points in the article, I challenge anyone to say, with a straight face, that each individual UPS worker negotiating on his/her own would have been able to achieve even half of them, let alone all of them. Well done. Hopefully you are right about a trend.
- jancsika 3y ago
  Hm, I can almost see the standard HN response here. I'm thinking specifically of the non-programming posts of a regular HN'er programmer[1]. Something like: Unions work on their own behalf and distort the market. Both in terms of the needs of individual workers and the efficiency of the company to deliver products/services. This negatively affects the company, and if the trend spreads ends up making the entire U.S. economy less competitive. I would then follow you down a rabbit hole where I post 2-3 sentence glib retorts. Digression: I could have done a lot better in the days before they locked down the vast majority of ChatGPT's capabilities. I know because I got it to impersonate both Dang and myself, at which it excelled; it also did a very good job of explaining style of any given user's writing here on HN. 1: Fun 2nd digression: the account I'm satirizing originally used a throwaway account for all of the zealous free-market flame posts. Dang ended up called out the pattern, asking the user to "stop using this account" to start low-effort flame wars. Rather than stop, the user instead opted to do their overzealous free-market trolling from their normal account. Problem solved, apparently! :)
  - vGPU 3y ago
    Counter-point to the “standard response”: this would be a non issue if we had protective tariffs like just about every other first, second, and third world country instead of outsourcing everything. This is yet another issue caused by the Boomer’s “have my cake and eat it too” mindset.

ryandrake 3y ago

Excellent news indeed. Looking at the list of bullet points in the article, I challenge anyone to say, with a straight face, that each individual UPS worker negotiating on his/her own would have been able to achieve even half of them, let alone all of them. Well done. Hopefully you are right about a trend.

jancsika 3y ago
Hm, I can almost see the standard HN response here. I'm thinking specifically of the non-programming posts of a regular HN'er programmer[1]. Something like: Unions work on their own behalf and distort the market. Both in terms of the needs of individual workers and the efficiency of the company to deliver products/services. This negatively affects the company, and if the trend spreads ends up making the entire U.S. economy less competitive. I would then follow you down a rabbit hole where I post 2-3 sentence glib retorts. Digression: I could have done a lot better in the days before they locked down the vast majority of ChatGPT's capabilities. I know because I got it to impersonate both Dang and myself, at which it excelled; it also did a very good job of explaining style of any given user's writing here on HN. 1: Fun 2nd digression: the account I'm satirizing originally used a throwaway account for all of the zealous free-market flame posts. Dang ended up called out the pattern, asking the user to "stop using this account" to start low-effort flame wars. Rather than stop, the user instead opted to do their overzealous free-market trolling from their normal account. Problem solved, apparently! :)
- vGPU 3y ago
  Counter-point to the “standard response”: this would be a non issue if we had protective tariffs like just about every other first, second, and third world country instead of outsourcing everything. This is yet another issue caused by the Boomer’s “have my cake and eat it too” mindset.