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In case you are interested in a wrapper for WebKit instead of for Chromium, but one that lets you use your favorite Chrome and Firefox extensions: Orion Browse

In case you are interested in a wrapper for WebKit instead of for Chromium, but one that lets you use your favorite Chrome and Firefox extensions: Orion Browser by Kagi: Very fast. Zero telemetry. Lightweight, natively built with WebKit, made for you and your Mac. Industry-leading battery life, privacy respecting by design and native support for web extensions. Orion supports Firefox and Chrome browser extensions natively. Whether you prefer getting them from the Chrome Web Store or Firefox Add-Ons... as well as bringing support for as many as we can to iOS… https://browser.kagi.com/ https://browser.kagi.com/

unshavedyak 3y ago
Can't wait for Orion to support Linux. As a Kagi subscriber it makes me feel salty, even though i understand focusing initial scope haha.
- webmobdev 3y ago
  Try Palemoon - it is a decent multi-platform hard fork of Firefox with better privacy preserving options.
- app4soft 3y ago
  Try Falkon[0] by KDE. [0] https://www.falkon.org/ https://www.falkon.org/
  - przmk 3y ago
    It's really hard to see why would anyone use it. At least epiphany is getting a lot of new features.
skrowl 3y ago
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app4soft 3y ago
> Zero telemetry. Q: Is Orion open-source? A: We’re working on it!...[0] Q: Is Orion truly safe if it’s not open-source? A: The idea that "open-source = trustworthy" only goes so far...[1] [0] https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#oss https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#oss [1] https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#ossprivacy https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#ossprivacy
- 38 3y ago
  AKA they are 100% using telemetry.
  - freediver 3y ago
    Anyone, including you, can check that is not true. That is the beauty of a zero-telemetry claim.
    - 38 3y ago
      its closed source...
      - halJordan 3y ago
        Imagine being more eager to review a thousand lines of code, which of course you can follow all the code paths, rather than just pull up the gui of a network monitor.
      - wkdneidbwf 3y ago
        yes, but you can analyze the traffic from the app if you cared too. the point is that you absolutely can verify their claims.
        bob778 3y ago
        I’ve worked on projects that logged locally and only transmitted every ~60 days when they detected the right network (eg public wifi). So unless you monitor it continuously and permanently this isn’t true.
crooked-v 3y ago
This is great, with the one big annoyance that they don't use the actual native iCloud password keychain (and so, for example, can't interop with how that's also used to auto-fill passwords for apps on iOS, not just websites).
- freediver 3y ago
  Orion does use native Keychain for passwords (and also uses iCloud to sync them).
  - crooked-v 3y ago
    It uses its own separate keychain entries (whatever the term is), not the stuff that's used by the iOS system level functionality.
    - freediver 3y ago
      That is by design of Keychain, apps can not access each others keychain, otherwise it would not be secure. There is no "iOS system level keychain" but all apps use a bucket in keychain - Safari uses one and Orion uses one.
      - tsuujin 3y ago
        The design of “passwords” on the Mac and iOS doesn’t make it seem like anything is a “safari” password. You save a password to the keychain in safari, and then you go to the “passwords” system preferences panel and you see those passwords. Or the other way around—creating a password from system preferences makes it accessible in browser. It appears on the surface to just be a password app, not a safari bucket. It also works this way if you use the iCloud passwords app from windows. All of your saved passwords show up there as well, despite the absence of safari. I’m pretty sure the new Chrome extension also shares your existing passwords. I think it’s a reasonable assumption that when an app claims to use the keychain that you will have access to all your previously saved passwords.
x62Bh7948f 3y ago
I tried Orion a while ago: in that version background tabs with YouTube on pause made the bottom of my m1 air get very hot. I really liked that it supported chrome extensions but battery life was not great. I’ll give it another go now that I’ve been using arc for some time.
st380752143 3y ago
I use both actually, Arc and Orion. I love its support for tree-view of tabs and Chrome/firefox extensions. Arc is my main browser now.

unshavedyak 3y ago

Can't wait for Orion to support Linux. As a Kagi subscriber it makes me feel salty, even though i understand focusing initial scope haha.

webmobdev 3y ago
Try Palemoon - it is a decent multi-platform hard fork of Firefox with better privacy preserving options.
app4soft 3y ago
Try Falkon[0] by KDE. [0] https://www.falkon.org/ https://www.falkon.org/
- przmk 3y ago
  It's really hard to see why would anyone use it. At least epiphany is getting a lot of new features.

skrowl 3y ago

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app4soft 3y ago

> Zero telemetry. Q: Is Orion open-source? A: We’re working on it!...[0] Q: Is Orion truly safe if it’s not open-source? A: The idea that "open-source = trustworthy" only goes so far...[1] [0] https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#oss https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#oss [1] https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#ossprivacy https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#ossprivacy

38 3y ago
AKA they are 100% using telemetry.
- freediver 3y ago
  Anyone, including you, can check that is not true. That is the beauty of a zero-telemetry claim.
  - 38 3y ago
    its closed source...
    - halJordan 3y ago
      Imagine being more eager to review a thousand lines of code, which of course you can follow all the code paths, rather than just pull up the gui of a network monitor.
    - wkdneidbwf 3y ago
      yes, but you can analyze the traffic from the app if you cared too. the point is that you absolutely can verify their claims.
      - bob778 3y ago
        I’ve worked on projects that logged locally and only transmitted every ~60 days when they detected the right network (eg public wifi). So unless you monitor it continuously and permanently this isn’t true.

crooked-v 3y ago

This is great, with the one big annoyance that they don't use the actual native iCloud password keychain (and so, for example, can't interop with how that's also used to auto-fill passwords for apps on iOS, not just websites).

freediver 3y ago
Orion does use native Keychain for passwords (and also uses iCloud to sync them).
- crooked-v 3y ago
  It uses its own separate keychain entries (whatever the term is), not the stuff that's used by the iOS system level functionality.
  - freediver 3y ago
    That is by design of Keychain, apps can not access each others keychain, otherwise it would not be secure. There is no "iOS system level keychain" but all apps use a bucket in keychain - Safari uses one and Orion uses one.
    - tsuujin 3y ago
      The design of “passwords” on the Mac and iOS doesn’t make it seem like anything is a “safari” password. You save a password to the keychain in safari, and then you go to the “passwords” system preferences panel and you see those passwords. Or the other way around—creating a password from system preferences makes it accessible in browser. It appears on the surface to just be a password app, not a safari bucket. It also works this way if you use the iCloud passwords app from windows. All of your saved passwords show up there as well, despite the absence of safari. I’m pretty sure the new Chrome extension also shares your existing passwords. I think it’s a reasonable assumption that when an app claims to use the keychain that you will have access to all your previously saved passwords.

x62Bh7948f 3y ago

I tried Orion a while ago: in that version background tabs with YouTube on pause made the bottom of my m1 air get very hot. I really liked that it supported chrome extensions but battery life was not great. I’ll give it another go now that I’ve been using arc for some time.

st380752143 3y ago

I use both actually, Arc and Orion. I love its support for tree-view of tabs and Chrome/firefox extensions. Arc is my main browser now.