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Seriously? GP goes into a burnout at job #1 and your takeaway is “you should’ve worked harder”?

stronglikedan 3y ago
They should have put in the two weeks at least. Not because the company deserves it, but because the world is smaller that you think. A lot of companies won't even take you up on the notice, but it's best to give it, and give the two weeks if they do take you up on it.
- the_af 3y ago
  > They should have put in the two weeks at least. And work through two additional weeks without the strength to even brush their teeth? Doesn't seem realistic to me.
  - stronglikedan 3y ago
    They should have never let themselves get to that place to begin with, but it's not the company's fault, so they shouldn't punish the company. They should own their mistake and push through. Or don't, and realize that it may come back to bite them. And if it does, they should realize that they are solely to blame. And yes, I've been there. Burnt out, depressed, you name it. It's always possible to muster up the energy to do the right thing.
    - the_af 3y ago
      Wait, "punish the company"? Say what? The company is not a person, and they would get rid of you without any notice should the need arise. Your comment reads like a form of victim-blaming, "they should have never gotten into a situation that left them severely depressed". What!?!?
    - nifty_beaks 3y ago
      Corporate shill. He doesn't owe the company anything more than they are contractually obligated.
    - IIsi50MHz 3y ago
      > It's always possible to muster up the energy to do the right thing. This not true. It is possible to have no more reserves. It is possible to argue that ideally you should be able to predict your imminent collapse, but not everybody is afforded this luxury.
that_guy_iain 3y ago
Where did I say they should work harder? In fact, I said I had no issue with them not providing notice. But I did point out that sometimes in life we need to force ourselves to work. Why? Because we need an income. Some people live a life where they don't need to work but most of us don't. Plenty of us had to go to work in scenarios where we didn't want to. Other half is long-term sick, kid is on school holiday, it's sunny outside, etc.
- skrebbel 3y ago
  I don’t think you appreciate how completely a proper burnout can stop you in your tracks. It’s like telling a tennis player to keep playing a few more matches after breaking an arm in an accident. Tough up kid! It’s a hard world out there.
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    People seem to be focusing on this case specifically when the skill to force yourself to work applies in many scenarios and is a required skill to be successful in any profession. No pro tennis player hasn't played a game injured. No professional athlete has gone through their career without playing injured. Every off-season we hear the list of injuries players have been playing through. To be successful you must force yourself to do things you don't want to do. And not telling someone who just flaked out of their first job that is a diservice.
    - the_af 3y ago
      > People seem to be focusing on this case specifically Well, you did reply to someone claiming severe depression and burnout, so the specifics matter. If you meant to post about hard work and doing stuff that might not be enjoyable in pursue of a paycheck, that's fine, but do you think it's warranted in reply to this specific case? It'd be like going into generalities about how one can push oneself harder to run a 100 meters sprint when talking to someone without legs or arms. I mean, yes, sure, but isn't it a touch insensitive?

They should have put in the two weeks at least. Not because the company deserves it, but because the world is smaller that you think. A lot of companies won't even take you up on the notice, but it's best to give it, and give the two weeks if they do take you up on it.

the_af 3y ago
> They should have put in the two weeks at least. And work through two additional weeks without the strength to even brush their teeth? Doesn't seem realistic to me.
- stronglikedan 3y ago
  They should have never let themselves get to that place to begin with, but it's not the company's fault, so they shouldn't punish the company. They should own their mistake and push through. Or don't, and realize that it may come back to bite them. And if it does, they should realize that they are solely to blame. And yes, I've been there. Burnt out, depressed, you name it. It's always possible to muster up the energy to do the right thing.
  - the_af 3y ago
    Wait, "punish the company"? Say what? The company is not a person, and they would get rid of you without any notice should the need arise. Your comment reads like a form of victim-blaming, "they should have never gotten into a situation that left them severely depressed". What!?!?
  - nifty_beaks 3y ago
    Corporate shill. He doesn't owe the company anything more than they are contractually obligated.
  - IIsi50MHz 3y ago
    > It's always possible to muster up the energy to do the right thing. This not true. It is possible to have no more reserves. It is possible to argue that ideally you should be able to predict your imminent collapse, but not everybody is afforded this luxury.

that_guy_iain 3y ago

Where did I say they should work harder? In fact, I said I had no issue with them not providing notice. But I did point out that sometimes in life we need to force ourselves to work. Why? Because we need an income. Some people live a life where they don't need to work but most of us don't. Plenty of us had to go to work in scenarios where we didn't want to. Other half is long-term sick, kid is on school holiday, it's sunny outside, etc.

skrebbel 3y ago
I don’t think you appreciate how completely a proper burnout can stop you in your tracks. It’s like telling a tennis player to keep playing a few more matches after breaking an arm in an accident. Tough up kid! It’s a hard world out there.
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  People seem to be focusing on this case specifically when the skill to force yourself to work applies in many scenarios and is a required skill to be successful in any profession. No pro tennis player hasn't played a game injured. No professional athlete has gone through their career without playing injured. Every off-season we hear the list of injuries players have been playing through. To be successful you must force yourself to do things you don't want to do. And not telling someone who just flaked out of their first job that is a diservice.
  - the_af 3y ago
    > People seem to be focusing on this case specifically Well, you did reply to someone claiming severe depression and burnout, so the specifics matter. If you meant to post about hard work and doing stuff that might not be enjoyable in pursue of a paycheck, that's fine, but do you think it's warranted in reply to this specific case? It'd be like going into generalities about how one can push oneself harder to run a 100 meters sprint when talking to someone without legs or arms. I mean, yes, sure, but isn't it a touch insensitive?