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Retyping the essay from the chatgpt while actively rewording the occassional sentence seems like it would do it.

wmeredith 3y ago
It seems like that's nearing the sweet spot of fraud prevention, where committing the act of fraud is as much work as doing the real thing.
- frumper 3y ago
  It sounds a lot easier to retype what you see rather than to create it.
- Nickersf 3y ago
  The intellectual labor of thinking about an essay, drafting it, editing, and revising it is much higher than strategically re-typing a ChatGPT output. One requires experience, knowledge, understanding and creativity, the other one requires basic functioning of motor skills and senses. You could program a robot to re-type the ChatGPT output into a different word processor and feed it parameters to make the duration between keystrokes and backspaces fluctuate over time. You could even have it stop, come back later, copy and paste sections and re-organize as it moves through and end up with the final essay from ChatGPT.
- TulliusCicero 3y ago
  Doesn't sound like it to me. Researching a topic can be a lot of effort, while typing is easy, even with occasional rephrasing. Hell, even with constant rephrasing it's not very hard.
  - horsawlarway 3y ago
    Having a student sit there and type out, word for word, a decent essay on the subject is probably fairly effective education for a LOT of subjects. In the same vein that letting students write calculator programs to do the quadratic formula for them during a test is actually a pretty good way to get them to learn the quadratic formula. It's not an exact equivalent to the intent of an essay today - from an education perspective - but it's not a complete miss either.
    - TulliusCicero 3y ago
      It's better than nothing, sure, but nowhere close to as good as doing the research and formulating the ideas yourself.
- fastball 3y ago
  Not when someone creates a browser extension that you run while using Google Docs, feed the entire ChatGPT doc into it and it recreates the doc over a 2 hour period with small bits and pieces.
mplewis 3y ago
It's a bit suspicious to type an essay linearly from start to finish, though.
- antod 3y ago
  A bit like how us old timers had to write our exams in the pen and paper days.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Is it? That's how I've always written them (and still do to this day). I write the first draft linearly from start to end, then go back and do my revising and editing.
  - mplewis 3y ago
    Well, that's what I mean. The revisions and edits are what show that you wrote it, rather than copying from an AI line by line.
- TulliusCicero 3y ago
  Will Google Docs provide that level of detail for revision history in a way that teachers can easily see that's it's likely AI-generated, and have high confidence in that?
  - mplewis 3y ago
    Google Docs already does have this level of revision history.

It seems like that's nearing the sweet spot of fraud prevention, where committing the act of fraud is as much work as doing the real thing.

frumper 3y ago
It sounds a lot easier to retype what you see rather than to create it.
Nickersf 3y ago
The intellectual labor of thinking about an essay, drafting it, editing, and revising it is much higher than strategically re-typing a ChatGPT output. One requires experience, knowledge, understanding and creativity, the other one requires basic functioning of motor skills and senses. You could program a robot to re-type the ChatGPT output into a different word processor and feed it parameters to make the duration between keystrokes and backspaces fluctuate over time. You could even have it stop, come back later, copy and paste sections and re-organize as it moves through and end up with the final essay from ChatGPT.
TulliusCicero 3y ago
Doesn't sound like it to me. Researching a topic can be a lot of effort, while typing is easy, even with occasional rephrasing. Hell, even with constant rephrasing it's not very hard.
- horsawlarway 3y ago
  Having a student sit there and type out, word for word, a decent essay on the subject is probably fairly effective education for a LOT of subjects. In the same vein that letting students write calculator programs to do the quadratic formula for them during a test is actually a pretty good way to get them to learn the quadratic formula. It's not an exact equivalent to the intent of an essay today - from an education perspective - but it's not a complete miss either.
  - TulliusCicero 3y ago
    It's better than nothing, sure, but nowhere close to as good as doing the research and formulating the ideas yourself.
fastball 3y ago
Not when someone creates a browser extension that you run while using Google Docs, feed the entire ChatGPT doc into it and it recreates the doc over a 2 hour period with small bits and pieces.

mplewis 3y ago

It's a bit suspicious to type an essay linearly from start to finish, though.

antod 3y ago
A bit like how us old timers had to write our exams in the pen and paper days.
JohnFen 3y ago
Is it? That's how I've always written them (and still do to this day). I write the first draft linearly from start to end, then go back and do my revising and editing.
- mplewis 3y ago
  Well, that's what I mean. The revisions and edits are what show that you wrote it, rather than copying from an AI line by line.
TulliusCicero 3y ago
Will Google Docs provide that level of detail for revision history in a way that teachers can easily see that's it's likely AI-generated, and have high confidence in that?
- mplewis 3y ago
  Google Docs already does have this level of revision history.