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Here is my takeaway from this. This was your first and only job. (Therapy is still on going and a month ago you asked what is happening and got some feedback a

Here is my takeaway from this. This was your first and only job. (Therapy is still on going and a month ago you asked what is happening and got some feedback about someone else quitting.) Which is why you don't understand the 2 weeks notice isn't just for you to be productive but to help hand things over. Realistically, your former colleagues probably had to figure out what you had done and not done. This will leave a nasty after taste. My understanding is that 2 weeks notice is more of a being nice and not actually required. Most companies won't give you any more notice than they're legally required to. Therefore, I have no problem with people giving them the legally minimum notice. But overall, you'll find there are many times where you just need to force yourself to work. This is probably a skill you should learn if you need a job to survive.

skrebbel 3y ago
Seriously? GP goes into a burnout at job #1 and your takeaway is “you should’ve worked harder”?
- stronglikedan 3y ago
  They should have put in the two weeks at least. Not because the company deserves it, but because the world is smaller that you think. A lot of companies won't even take you up on the notice, but it's best to give it, and give the two weeks if they do take you up on it.
  - the_af 3y ago
    > They should have put in the two weeks at least. And work through two additional weeks without the strength to even brush their teeth? Doesn't seem realistic to me.
    - stronglikedan 3y ago
      They should have never let themselves get to that place to begin with, but it's not the company's fault, so they shouldn't punish the company. They should own their mistake and push through. Or don't, and realize that it may come back to bite them. And if it does, they should realize that they are solely to blame. And yes, I've been there. Burnt out, depressed, you name it. It's always possible to muster up the energy to do the right thing.
      - the_af 3y ago
        Wait, "punish the company"? Say what? The company is not a person, and they would get rid of you without any notice should the need arise. Your comment reads like a form of victim-blaming, "they should have never gotten into a situation that left them severely depressed". What!?!?
      - nifty_beaks 3y ago
        Corporate shill. He doesn't owe the company anything more than they are contractually obligated.
      - IIsi50MHz 3y ago
        > It's always possible to muster up the energy to do the right thing. This not true. It is possible to have no more reserves. It is possible to argue that ideally you should be able to predict your imminent collapse, but not everybody is afforded this luxury.
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  Where did I say they should work harder? In fact, I said I had no issue with them not providing notice. But I did point out that sometimes in life we need to force ourselves to work. Why? Because we need an income. Some people live a life where they don't need to work but most of us don't. Plenty of us had to go to work in scenarios where we didn't want to. Other half is long-term sick, kid is on school holiday, it's sunny outside, etc.
  - skrebbel 3y ago
    I don’t think you appreciate how completely a proper burnout can stop you in your tracks. It’s like telling a tennis player to keep playing a few more matches after breaking an arm in an accident. Tough up kid! It’s a hard world out there.
    - that_guy_iain 3y ago
      People seem to be focusing on this case specifically when the skill to force yourself to work applies in many scenarios and is a required skill to be successful in any profession. No pro tennis player hasn't played a game injured. No professional athlete has gone through their career without playing injured. Every off-season we hear the list of injuries players have been playing through. To be successful you must force yourself to do things you don't want to do. And not telling someone who just flaked out of their first job that is a diservice.
      - the_af 3y ago
        > People seem to be focusing on this case specifically Well, you did reply to someone claiming severe depression and burnout, so the specifics matter. If you meant to post about hard work and doing stuff that might not be enjoyable in pursue of a paycheck, that's fine, but do you think it's warranted in reply to this specific case? It'd be like going into generalities about how one can push oneself harder to run a 100 meters sprint when talking to someone without legs or arms. I mean, yes, sure, but isn't it a touch insensitive?
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the_af 3y ago
If he was so depressed even brushing his teeth in the morning was an insurmountable task -- that is, clinically depressed -- I think your "learn to force yourself to work" suggestion is seriously misguided. Like someone else mentioned, if he had been hit by a car you wouldn't be suggesting he force himself to do anything. Clinical depression is your brain being hit by a car. If he had been hit by a car, who cares about whether his coworkers found their work harder as a consequence?
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  > I think your "learn to force yourself to work" suggestion is seriously misguided. I think it's misguided to think that there aren't many people force themselves to work in that and worse conditions. Why? They need the money. It's seriously misguided, to think you can have any successful career without being able to force yourself to work. Quitting work everytime there is a hicup will not generally lead to a successful career. Not being able to work at all because the sun is out, your kid is long term sick, your wife had an affair, etc will generally not lead to having a successful career. There are many scenarios on a daily basis where people force themselves to work. > if he had been hit by a car you wouldn't be suggesting he force himself to do anything If cleared for work and needed to keep their job, yes I would. Many people do in fact force themselves to work after truamatic events such as being hit by a car or being in a car accident. And remember, I didn't say in this scenario he should have forced himself to work. In fact, I said I had no problems with him not. But I said it is a skill that is needed for many in life.
  - the_af 3y ago
    > If cleared for work and needed to keep their job, yes I would. Many people do in fact force themselves to work after truamatic events such as being hit by a car or being in a car accident. And some people end up committing suicide after severe depression, so? "Push yourself harder" isn't usually the answer.
    - that_guy_iain 3y ago
      Actually, it normally is. In fact, mental hospitals will force you to get up get dressed, etc because being active is usually the answer. Very few treatment plans haver "quit your job and do nothing" to solve depression. Being unemployed is normally more depressing than having a job. It's a downward spiral.

skrebbel 3y ago

Seriously? GP goes into a burnout at job #1 and your takeaway is “you should’ve worked harder”?

stronglikedan 3y ago
They should have put in the two weeks at least. Not because the company deserves it, but because the world is smaller that you think. A lot of companies won't even take you up on the notice, but it's best to give it, and give the two weeks if they do take you up on it.
- the_af 3y ago
  > They should have put in the two weeks at least. And work through two additional weeks without the strength to even brush their teeth? Doesn't seem realistic to me.
  - stronglikedan 3y ago
    They should have never let themselves get to that place to begin with, but it's not the company's fault, so they shouldn't punish the company. They should own their mistake and push through. Or don't, and realize that it may come back to bite them. And if it does, they should realize that they are solely to blame. And yes, I've been there. Burnt out, depressed, you name it. It's always possible to muster up the energy to do the right thing.
    - the_af 3y ago
      Wait, "punish the company"? Say what? The company is not a person, and they would get rid of you without any notice should the need arise. Your comment reads like a form of victim-blaming, "they should have never gotten into a situation that left them severely depressed". What!?!?
    - nifty_beaks 3y ago
      Corporate shill. He doesn't owe the company anything more than they are contractually obligated.
    - IIsi50MHz 3y ago
      > It's always possible to muster up the energy to do the right thing. This not true. It is possible to have no more reserves. It is possible to argue that ideally you should be able to predict your imminent collapse, but not everybody is afforded this luxury.
that_guy_iain 3y ago
Where did I say they should work harder? In fact, I said I had no issue with them not providing notice. But I did point out that sometimes in life we need to force ourselves to work. Why? Because we need an income. Some people live a life where they don't need to work but most of us don't. Plenty of us had to go to work in scenarios where we didn't want to. Other half is long-term sick, kid is on school holiday, it's sunny outside, etc.
- skrebbel 3y ago
  I don’t think you appreciate how completely a proper burnout can stop you in your tracks. It’s like telling a tennis player to keep playing a few more matches after breaking an arm in an accident. Tough up kid! It’s a hard world out there.
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    People seem to be focusing on this case specifically when the skill to force yourself to work applies in many scenarios and is a required skill to be successful in any profession. No pro tennis player hasn't played a game injured. No professional athlete has gone through their career without playing injured. Every off-season we hear the list of injuries players have been playing through. To be successful you must force yourself to do things you don't want to do. And not telling someone who just flaked out of their first job that is a diservice.
    - the_af 3y ago
      > People seem to be focusing on this case specifically Well, you did reply to someone claiming severe depression and burnout, so the specifics matter. If you meant to post about hard work and doing stuff that might not be enjoyable in pursue of a paycheck, that's fine, but do you think it's warranted in reply to this specific case? It'd be like going into generalities about how one can push oneself harder to run a 100 meters sprint when talking to someone without legs or arms. I mean, yes, sure, but isn't it a touch insensitive?

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the_af 3y ago

If he was so depressed even brushing his teeth in the morning was an insurmountable task -- that is, clinically depressed -- I think your "learn to force yourself to work" suggestion is seriously misguided. Like someone else mentioned, if he had been hit by a car you wouldn't be suggesting he force himself to do anything. Clinical depression is your brain being hit by a car. If he had been hit by a car, who cares about whether his coworkers found their work harder as a consequence?

that_guy_iain 3y ago
> I think your "learn to force yourself to work" suggestion is seriously misguided. I think it's misguided to think that there aren't many people force themselves to work in that and worse conditions. Why? They need the money. It's seriously misguided, to think you can have any successful career without being able to force yourself to work. Quitting work everytime there is a hicup will not generally lead to a successful career. Not being able to work at all because the sun is out, your kid is long term sick, your wife had an affair, etc will generally not lead to having a successful career. There are many scenarios on a daily basis where people force themselves to work. > if he had been hit by a car you wouldn't be suggesting he force himself to do anything If cleared for work and needed to keep their job, yes I would. Many people do in fact force themselves to work after truamatic events such as being hit by a car or being in a car accident. And remember, I didn't say in this scenario he should have forced himself to work. In fact, I said I had no problems with him not. But I said it is a skill that is needed for many in life.
- the_af 3y ago
  > If cleared for work and needed to keep their job, yes I would. Many people do in fact force themselves to work after truamatic events such as being hit by a car or being in a car accident. And some people end up committing suicide after severe depression, so? "Push yourself harder" isn't usually the answer.
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    Actually, it normally is. In fact, mental hospitals will force you to get up get dressed, etc because being active is usually the answer. Very few treatment plans haver "quit your job and do nothing" to solve depression. Being unemployed is normally more depressing than having a job. It's a downward spiral.