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Trucks need to haul and tow. You need a real steel frame to do that.

giobox 3y ago
The cybertruck will manage 14,000lbs on a monocoque. Just because traditionally this hasn't been the case doesn't mean you can't make a monocoque that can tow. The truck industry has had little incentive to innovate here until very recently as for 40 years vintage body-on-frame architectures have sold and sold. As I said - I'm not disagreeing that body on frame does have some legitimate use cases today - it's just that with modern construction techniques it's much more rarely going to be private transport.
- linuxftw 3y ago
  I think if someone tries to tow 14k lbs with a cybertruck, it's going to be ripped in half.
  - giobox 3y ago
    It's literally rated for 14,000 lbs, so no, it won't.
    - linuxftw 3y ago
      Rated by who? Because I don't believe Tesla's claim because it seems absolutely outlandish. They would have been building F150's like this decades ago if it were true.
      - giobox 3y ago
        Has a car manufacturer ever lied about rated tow weights in recent memory? I genuinely don't see the incentive - it would just lead to crashes, warranty claims and eventually a class action lawsuit, or worse if deaths resulted. People rely on these numbers to drive safely. 14,000 lbs is absolutely within realms of normal/possible for a nearly 20 foot long 6000lb truck - its more or less exactly the same as high-spec Ford trucks. It's almost a given one of the first things youtube is going do with a production Cybertruck is find something that weighs almost exactly 14000 lbs and try to tow it up and down the steepest inclines they can find.
        linuxftw 3y ago
        Has Tesla ever promised something and not delivered, I think that's the real question. Another question is, how often are Teslas totaled for what would be a minor accident in another vehicle? All that twisting and bending force being applied to a unibody, I can't see it ending well.
        lesuorac 3y ago
        Tesla's Model X (depending on options) has a towing capacity of 5k lbs [1]. As far as I can tell, nobody is claiming that this is false and there's a few anecdotes of people with 5k campers they tow. So, afaik, historical claims by Tesla on towing capacity are true so there seems to be more reason to believe a future towing claim is accurate based on previous towing claims than believe it's false because previous non-towing claims have been false. [1]: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modelx/en_us/GUID-7A684E2F-D43E-4A0E-AD21-811B04CE53BB.html https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modelx/en_us/GUID-7A684E2...
        linuxftw 3y ago
        5k on a unibody is standard. I'm just talking about feature claims in general. I think we're going to see Cybertrucks with totally trashed frames if they try to go live with 14k loads.
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        linuxftw 3y ago
        It's standard in the sense that the vast majority of unibody vehicles produced today have a 5k towing limit.
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    - dangus 3y ago
      It’s not even available for sale.

The cybertruck will manage 14,000lbs on a monocoque. Just because traditionally this hasn't been the case doesn't mean you can't make a monocoque that can tow. The truck industry has had little incentive to innovate here until very recently as for 40 years vintage body-on-frame architectures have sold and sold. As I said - I'm not disagreeing that body on frame does have some legitimate use cases today - it's just that with modern construction techniques it's much more rarely going to be private transport.

linuxftw 3y ago
I think if someone tries to tow 14k lbs with a cybertruck, it's going to be ripped in half.
- giobox 3y ago
  It's literally rated for 14,000 lbs, so no, it won't.
  - linuxftw 3y ago
    Rated by who? Because I don't believe Tesla's claim because it seems absolutely outlandish. They would have been building F150's like this decades ago if it were true.
    - giobox 3y ago
      Has a car manufacturer ever lied about rated tow weights in recent memory? I genuinely don't see the incentive - it would just lead to crashes, warranty claims and eventually a class action lawsuit, or worse if deaths resulted. People rely on these numbers to drive safely. 14,000 lbs is absolutely within realms of normal/possible for a nearly 20 foot long 6000lb truck - its more or less exactly the same as high-spec Ford trucks. It's almost a given one of the first things youtube is going do with a production Cybertruck is find something that weighs almost exactly 14000 lbs and try to tow it up and down the steepest inclines they can find.
      - linuxftw 3y ago
        Has Tesla ever promised something and not delivered, I think that's the real question. Another question is, how often are Teslas totaled for what would be a minor accident in another vehicle? All that twisting and bending force being applied to a unibody, I can't see it ending well.
        lesuorac 3y ago
        Tesla's Model X (depending on options) has a towing capacity of 5k lbs [1]. As far as I can tell, nobody is claiming that this is false and there's a few anecdotes of people with 5k campers they tow. So, afaik, historical claims by Tesla on towing capacity are true so there seems to be more reason to believe a future towing claim is accurate based on previous towing claims than believe it's false because previous non-towing claims have been false. [1]: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modelx/en_us/GUID-7A684E2F-D43E-4A0E-AD21-811B04CE53BB.html https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modelx/en_us/GUID-7A684E2...
        linuxftw 3y ago
        5k on a unibody is standard. I'm just talking about feature claims in general. I think we're going to see Cybertrucks with totally trashed frames if they try to go live with 14k loads.
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        linuxftw 3y ago
        It's standard in the sense that the vast majority of unibody vehicles produced today have a 5k towing limit.
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  - dangus 3y ago
    It’s not even available for sale.