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> because of the Twitter rate limiting fiasco Which is ironic: https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/17/23797976/you-might-see-more-rate-limits-on-threads https://ww

> because of the Twitter rate limiting fiasco Which is ironic: https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/17/23797976/you-might-see-more-rate-limits-on-threads https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/17/23797976/you-might-see-mo...

mulligan 3y ago
there's a difference between rate limiting the amount of posts you make (to avoid spam) and rate limiting the amount of posts you read
- PeterCorless 3y ago
  Exactly.
- foderking 3y ago
  not really. rate limiting is rate limiting. Its done to prevent abuse whether in the form of spam or unauthorised scraping
  - slikrick 3y ago
    yes really. rate limiting reading to average users is completely different than rate limiting writing. the average user doesn't post, so it's already impacting a completely different demographic
PeterCorless 3y ago
Rate-limiting of itself isn't the issue. No one really wants to deal with unbounded flow and infinite load. It's a matter of what, exactly the limits are set to, and whether those are reasonable, understandable, and well-understood before the changes are implemented. The limits on posting to Twitter — 500 direct messages per day, 2,400 tweets, seem reasonable enough to most people. However, I have feedback from people with extensive DM group systems that find the 500 DM limit really chafing. They generally operate private accounts and use the DM system to maintain multiple private groups for various reasons of online confidentiality. Further, it was the rate limit on reading posts, 6,000 per day (avg. 250/hour), which meant many accounts monitoring breaking real-time world events found the platform to all-too-easily locked up. For example, if you are doing Open Source Intelligence (OSINT), you often have to scour through a bunch of chafe (crap posts, disinformation, look-at-me distractions, etc.) to get the few kernels of grain (new, unique information) you are looking for. The rate of posts for a suddenly stochastically popular keyword or hashtag means that you can fill that pipe really quickly — sometimes less than an hour. Twitter API changes have been perceived as utterly draconian, especially for researchers into, say, disinformation analysis. The thing is that Elon is making these changes without any sort of grace period, or any sort of actual plan. Zero accommodations. Capricious, mercurial changes like this are being seen as user hostile.

mulligan 3y ago

there's a difference between rate limiting the amount of posts you make (to avoid spam) and rate limiting the amount of posts you read

PeterCorless 3y ago
Exactly.
foderking 3y ago
not really. rate limiting is rate limiting. Its done to prevent abuse whether in the form of spam or unauthorised scraping
- slikrick 3y ago
  yes really. rate limiting reading to average users is completely different than rate limiting writing. the average user doesn't post, so it's already impacting a completely different demographic

PeterCorless 3y ago

Rate-limiting of itself isn't the issue. No one really wants to deal with unbounded flow and infinite load. It's a matter of what, exactly the limits are set to, and whether those are reasonable, understandable, and well-understood before the changes are implemented. The limits on posting to Twitter — 500 direct messages per day, 2,400 tweets, seem reasonable enough to most people. However, I have feedback from people with extensive DM group systems that find the 500 DM limit really chafing. They generally operate private accounts and use the DM system to maintain multiple private groups for various reasons of online confidentiality. Further, it was the rate limit on reading posts, 6,000 per day (avg. 250/hour), which meant many accounts monitoring breaking real-time world events found the platform to all-too-easily locked up. For example, if you are doing Open Source Intelligence (OSINT), you often have to scour through a bunch of chafe (crap posts, disinformation, look-at-me distractions, etc.) to get the few kernels of grain (new, unique information) you are looking for. The rate of posts for a suddenly stochastically popular keyword or hashtag means that you can fill that pipe really quickly — sometimes less than an hour. Twitter API changes have been perceived as utterly draconian, especially for researchers into, say, disinformation analysis. The thing is that Elon is making these changes without any sort of grace period, or any sort of actual plan. Zero accommodations. Capricious, mercurial changes like this are being seen as user hostile.