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I think there's a middle ground between 'at-will employment capitalist hellscape' America and 'unable to be fired for months socialist hellscape' Europe.

unmole 3y ago
What does labour regulation have to to do with socialism?
- johneth 3y ago
  I'm being hyperbolic, using the American bastardisation of the word 'socialism'. I'd put myself on the Europe-side of employment law/regulation ideals.
Paul-Craft 3y ago
There are no socialist countries in Europe. Every country in Europe is capitalist.
FredPret 3y ago
It's probably helpful to point out neither is in any way close to being a hellscape, and the people in both places have done a wonderful job building up a civilization that suits them.
tambourine_man 3y ago
Europe is much more of a middle ground than the opposite end of the spectrum.
switch007 3y ago
> 'unable to be fired for months socialist hellscape' Europe A small handful of countries in Europe*
nmfisher 3y ago
Generally I've always found the underlying principle behind the Australian system[0] to be a reasonable middle ground. Those making less than a certain amount can only be terminated: a) immediately for cause (theft/fraud/etc) b) with notice for poor performance c) with notice and a legislated payout for redundancy where the job is no longer required. Those earning above a certain amount need to negotiate any/all of these into their contract. Admittedly it does occasionally result in employees being reinstated whose sacking was (IMO) completely justified. I don't like those specific instances, but I figure it's the price you have to pay for a system that is tilted slightly in favour of employees. [0] The actual laws are rubbish though, they're intentionally obtuse/vague owing to industrial relations being a political minefield and no government wanting to touch it for fear of voter pushback.

unmole 3y ago

What does labour regulation have to to do with socialism?

johneth 3y ago
I'm being hyperbolic, using the American bastardisation of the word 'socialism'. I'd put myself on the Europe-side of employment law/regulation ideals.

Paul-Craft 3y ago

There are no socialist countries in Europe. Every country in Europe is capitalist.

FredPret 3y ago

It's probably helpful to point out neither is in any way close to being a hellscape, and the people in both places have done a wonderful job building up a civilization that suits them.

tambourine_man 3y ago

Europe is much more of a middle ground than the opposite end of the spectrum.

switch007 3y ago

> 'unable to be fired for months socialist hellscape' Europe A small handful of countries in Europe*

nmfisher 3y ago

Generally I've always found the underlying principle behind the Australian system[0] to be a reasonable middle ground. Those making less than a certain amount can only be terminated: a) immediately for cause (theft/fraud/etc) b) with notice for poor performance c) with notice and a legislated payout for redundancy where the job is no longer required. Those earning above a certain amount need to negotiate any/all of these into their contract. Admittedly it does occasionally result in employees being reinstated whose sacking was (IMO) completely justified. I don't like those specific instances, but I figure it's the price you have to pay for a system that is tilted slightly in favour of employees. [0] The actual laws are rubbish though, they're intentionally obtuse/vague owing to industrial relations being a political minefield and no government wanting to touch it for fear of voter pushback.