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> half the people still want to believe it isn't happening. The problem is twofold: on one side, you have those who think they can choose whether to believe i

by pif 3y ago

> half the people still want to believe it isn't happening. The problem is twofold: on one side, you have those who think they can choose whether to believe in facts; on the other side, you have those who believe without understanding! As you said, we are past the return point. This is happening, and we should be doing something that actually addresses the problems caused by the ocean currents shutting down, but too many activists will block the traffic, piss everybody off, show a sign with "STOP OIL" painted on it, accomplish nothing but fomenting the hate, and call it a day.

tmaly 3y ago
I believe we can solve both problems if we would focus more on the scientific method and rational thinking. Improving the educational system is the only way we get there.
- phpnode 3y ago
  Too slow, it will be decades before the people going through the education system now are in a position to effect change
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - tmaly 3y ago
    What do you propose to do that is a complete solution and timely?
    - myshpa 3y ago
      Lots of people know what needs doing, but changing things up is tough when we're so used to doing things a certain way. Plus, it doesn't help that laws often slow down the changes we need. And let's be real, these changes might not be everyone's cup of tea, especially when there's so much distrust and confusion often spread by the media. Our current problems: - Climate Change (CC) - Biodiversity Loss (BL) - Deforestation (D) - Water Scarcity (WS) - Ocean Acidification (OA) - Resource Depletion (RD) - Pollution (P) - Land Degradation (LD) - Food Insecurity (FI) - Social Inequity (SI) We have to solve all those to have a chance to repair things. Repair too little and we'll end up as Rome did (they also tried to solve their problems when they realized they're facing the end, but did too little and paid the price). All those problems have their main culprits and plethora of solutions. It's not that we don't know what and how, but we don't have the will. a] acknowledge that our problem is ecological overshoot, and climate change is just one of its symptoms b] stop polluting atmosphere ... stop fossil fuels asap, stop adding unnecessary co2 + methane + n20 (CC, P) c] stop polluting soils & water ... reform agriculture, stop animal agriculture, plant-based diets (BL, WS, OA, P) d] stop economic drivers of exponential growth of humans ... reform political, economic & financial system, handle inequality, ubi, housing, etc. (SI, FI) e] stop overconsumption ... degrowth, ubi, walkable cities & reform zone planning, public transport, wfh, remove subsidies for polluting & unsustainable sectors (CC, BL, D, OA, RD, P, LD, FI, SI) f] stop overexploiting nature ... circular economy, degrowth (BL, D, RD, P) g] store carbon - reforest, rewild (abolishment of animal ag frees up an area as big as Africa) (CC, BL, D, WS, OA, RD, P, LD, FI, SI) h] store carbon - enable return of wildlife ... big, continuous primeval rain forests and grasslands (CC, BL, D, WS, LD) i] store carbon - stop industrial fishing, let marine life rebound to previous levels (70-90% gone already, incl. plankton) (CC, BL, OA, SI) I'm probably forgetting a lot. But that'd be enough to stop it and begin the path towards sustainability.
  - black6 3y ago
    Climate moves a lot slower.
- raffraffraff 3y ago
  Deleted massive rant
mrguyorama 3y ago
>As you said, we are past the return point. This is happening, and we should be doing something that actually addresses the problems caused by the ocean currents shutting down, but too many activists will block the traffic, piss everybody off, show a sign with "STOP OIL" painted on it, accomplish nothing but fomenting the hate, and call it a day. Ah yes, 80 million people vote for the guy who says that climate change is a chinese hoax and we should be burning """clean""" coal but the actual problem is the people who don't like pretending things are fine.

by pif 3y ago

tmaly 3y ago

I believe we can solve both problems if we would focus more on the scientific method and rational thinking. Improving the educational system is the only way we get there.

phpnode 3y ago
Too slow, it will be decades before the people going through the education system now are in a position to effect change
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- tmaly 3y ago
  What do you propose to do that is a complete solution and timely?
  - myshpa 3y ago
    Lots of people know what needs doing, but changing things up is tough when we're so used to doing things a certain way. Plus, it doesn't help that laws often slow down the changes we need. And let's be real, these changes might not be everyone's cup of tea, especially when there's so much distrust and confusion often spread by the media. Our current problems: - Climate Change (CC) - Biodiversity Loss (BL) - Deforestation (D) - Water Scarcity (WS) - Ocean Acidification (OA) - Resource Depletion (RD) - Pollution (P) - Land Degradation (LD) - Food Insecurity (FI) - Social Inequity (SI) We have to solve all those to have a chance to repair things. Repair too little and we'll end up as Rome did (they also tried to solve their problems when they realized they're facing the end, but did too little and paid the price). All those problems have their main culprits and plethora of solutions. It's not that we don't know what and how, but we don't have the will. a] acknowledge that our problem is ecological overshoot, and climate change is just one of its symptoms b] stop polluting atmosphere ... stop fossil fuels asap, stop adding unnecessary co2 + methane + n20 (CC, P) c] stop polluting soils & water ... reform agriculture, stop animal agriculture, plant-based diets (BL, WS, OA, P) d] stop economic drivers of exponential growth of humans ... reform political, economic & financial system, handle inequality, ubi, housing, etc. (SI, FI) e] stop overconsumption ... degrowth, ubi, walkable cities & reform zone planning, public transport, wfh, remove subsidies for polluting & unsustainable sectors (CC, BL, D, OA, RD, P, LD, FI, SI) f] stop overexploiting nature ... circular economy, degrowth (BL, D, RD, P) g] store carbon - reforest, rewild (abolishment of animal ag frees up an area as big as Africa) (CC, BL, D, WS, OA, RD, P, LD, FI, SI) h] store carbon - enable return of wildlife ... big, continuous primeval rain forests and grasslands (CC, BL, D, WS, LD) i] store carbon - stop industrial fishing, let marine life rebound to previous levels (70-90% gone already, incl. plankton) (CC, BL, OA, SI) I'm probably forgetting a lot. But that'd be enough to stop it and begin the path towards sustainability.
- black6 3y ago
  Climate moves a lot slower.
raffraffraff 3y ago
Deleted massive rant

mrguyorama 3y ago

>As you said, we are past the return point. This is happening, and we should be doing something that actually addresses the problems caused by the ocean currents shutting down, but too many activists will block the traffic, piss everybody off, show a sign with "STOP OIL" painted on it, accomplish nothing but fomenting the hate, and call it a day. Ah yes, 80 million people vote for the guy who says that climate change is a chinese hoax and we should be burning """clean""" coal but the actual problem is the people who don't like pretending things are fine.