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Im not sure why this is even getting downvoted. Top pay of market has significantly shifted to hybrid. Even once a week in office means you can't live anywhere

by shmatt 3y ago

Im not sure why this is even getting downvoted. Top pay of market has significantly shifted to hybrid. Even once a week in office means you can't live anywhere in the country you'd like. Though i'm not sure if the original article counts hybrid as remote in this case There are plenty of fully remote openings for senior software engineers looking for $100k TC right now. Every person can make their own calculation

oofta-boofta 3y ago
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CoastalCoder 3y ago
I agree with the parent and grandparent comments. For me personally, the question is how long I hold out for a job that will pay the bills. E.g., without my kids needing to take out big college loans. For one thing, I don't want to screw over an employer by taking a job that I know I'll leave as soon as something better-paying becomes available. Hopefully I'll find a decent job before I get that desparate.
zer8k 3y ago
Honestly, I'd take 100k TC for a position to keep remote. One caveat, I will be working at 20% of my actual mental capacity. Frequent vacations, using sick time as often as possible, etc. I would not take on anything resembling pagerduty and I wouldn't try to lead anything. Then I'll leave for any job with higher TC. Malicious compliance is the best kind of compliance and is the only way to respond to a lop-sided negotiation. Companies are exploiting the rift in labor due to inflation, COVID, etc right now. For 2 years the power was in the hands of employees. This left a very bad taste in the mouths of management. What companies want is top-tier labor for bottom-tier pricing. It won't happen. If it does, you'll have a bunch of people with 1.5 feet out the door coasting at work.
- addisonl 3y ago
  And people wonder why companies don’t like remote work…
  - no_wizard 3y ago
    you can do this in office / hybrid too. It wasn't uncommon when FAANG hiring was ebbing and flowing or people would leave to come back at those places (some FAANGs have weird policies on promoting internally vs externally. It was sometimes easier to leave and comeback) I worked somewhere where we always had a dozen boomerang FAANG engineers, the practice stopped when everyone realized they were coasting often and getting way to close to deadlines, had poorer than expected engineering output etc.
  - horns4lyfe 3y ago
    Because they can’t pay low prices for great work? Is this bad?
pcthrowaway 3y ago
> Top pay of market has significantly shifted to hybrid *In the U.S. In Canada, top pay is mostly full remote.
- RestlessMind 3y ago
  Are those all US based companies?
  - pcthrowaway 3y ago
    Exactly. Salaries with Canadian companies pale in comparison to U.S. salaries, with perhaps a few exceptions. When the market was piping hot in early 2022 I was fielding a few offers and the highest a Canadian company got me (as someone with 8-9 YoE at the time) was 95K (USD). U.S. companies were offering in the range of 120K-150K. Although I made a huge mistake and took a counteroffer at a lower salary from the company I already worked with, which came with a significant retention bonus (and verbal promise of stock + additional bonuses which never materialized). Now I'm making about 70K USD as a lead. Which is probably more than I'd get from a Canada-based company right now to be fair.

by shmatt 3y ago

oofta-boofta 3y ago

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CoastalCoder 3y ago

I agree with the parent and grandparent comments. For me personally, the question is how long I hold out for a job that will pay the bills. E.g., without my kids needing to take out big college loans. For one thing, I don't want to screw over an employer by taking a job that I know I'll leave as soon as something better-paying becomes available. Hopefully I'll find a decent job before I get that desparate.

zer8k 3y ago

Honestly, I'd take 100k TC for a position to keep remote. One caveat, I will be working at 20% of my actual mental capacity. Frequent vacations, using sick time as often as possible, etc. I would not take on anything resembling pagerduty and I wouldn't try to lead anything. Then I'll leave for any job with higher TC. Malicious compliance is the best kind of compliance and is the only way to respond to a lop-sided negotiation. Companies are exploiting the rift in labor due to inflation, COVID, etc right now. For 2 years the power was in the hands of employees. This left a very bad taste in the mouths of management. What companies want is top-tier labor for bottom-tier pricing. It won't happen. If it does, you'll have a bunch of people with 1.5 feet out the door coasting at work.

addisonl 3y ago
And people wonder why companies don’t like remote work…
- no_wizard 3y ago
  you can do this in office / hybrid too. It wasn't uncommon when FAANG hiring was ebbing and flowing or people would leave to come back at those places (some FAANGs have weird policies on promoting internally vs externally. It was sometimes easier to leave and comeback) I worked somewhere where we always had a dozen boomerang FAANG engineers, the practice stopped when everyone realized they were coasting often and getting way to close to deadlines, had poorer than expected engineering output etc.
- horns4lyfe 3y ago
  Because they can’t pay low prices for great work? Is this bad?

pcthrowaway 3y ago

> Top pay of market has significantly shifted to hybrid *In the U.S. In Canada, top pay is mostly full remote.

RestlessMind 3y ago
Are those all US based companies?
- pcthrowaway 3y ago
  Exactly. Salaries with Canadian companies pale in comparison to U.S. salaries, with perhaps a few exceptions. When the market was piping hot in early 2022 I was fielding a few offers and the highest a Canadian company got me (as someone with 8-9 YoE at the time) was 95K (USD). U.S. companies were offering in the range of 120K-150K. Although I made a huge mistake and took a counteroffer at a lower salary from the company I already worked with, which came with a significant retention bonus (and verbal promise of stock + additional bonuses which never materialized). Now I'm making about 70K USD as a lead. Which is probably more than I'd get from a Canada-based company right now to be fair.