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Not really a good sign. There's legitimate arguments to have, and then there's creationism, 5g causes covid, q-anon, etc that lower the quality of discussion be

Not really a good sign. There's legitimate arguments to have, and then there's creationism, 5g causes covid, q-anon, etc that lower the quality of discussion because the people posting about that aren't actually interested in discussion.

swayvil 3y ago
But perspectives really do vary. And the popular epistemology is trash. And I think that we can afford to tolerate the independently minded.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > the popular epistemology is trash Math is immaterial so science is fake isn’t a novel perspective [1], it’s literally 17th-century material and a symptom of America’s lack of philosophical education. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36863039 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36863039
  - deadbeeves 3y ago
    Is it? I think it's a symptom of lack of science and math education. No one who understands both of them would think that either is proof that the other one is "fake".
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > I think it's a symptom of lack of science and math education It's that, too.
- EnergyAmy 3y ago
  Independently minded is great. Refusing to accept reality isn't something that's conducive to an interesting discussion, and I'm happy to have that filtered out.
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    Where "reality" is defined as "that part of reality which is deemed acceptable at this moment", otherwise known as the Overton window. Mention something which lies outside of it but still well within the domain of science - I'm not talking about creationism - and you'll soon find out "reality" deserves those scare quotes around it. Go have a look at the discussions around SARS2, around the efficacy or lack thereof of the experimental vaccines or whether masking really provides protection against these types of infections. There is legitimate science on both sides of the debate but only one side was welcome during the pandemic, those who cited the other side quickly got labelled and nullified. There are countless other areas where this phenomenon can be seen and where a label and nullification awaits those who dare to step over the line, I'm fairly sure everyone can think of a few of them.

swayvil 3y ago

But perspectives really do vary. And the popular epistemology is trash. And I think that we can afford to tolerate the independently minded.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> the popular epistemology is trash Math is immaterial so science is fake isn’t a novel perspective [1], it’s literally 17th-century material and a symptom of America’s lack of philosophical education. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36863039 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36863039
- deadbeeves 3y ago
  Is it? I think it's a symptom of lack of science and math education. No one who understands both of them would think that either is proof that the other one is "fake".
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > I think it's a symptom of lack of science and math education It's that, too.
EnergyAmy 3y ago
Independently minded is great. Refusing to accept reality isn't something that's conducive to an interesting discussion, and I'm happy to have that filtered out.
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  Where "reality" is defined as "that part of reality which is deemed acceptable at this moment", otherwise known as the Overton window. Mention something which lies outside of it but still well within the domain of science - I'm not talking about creationism - and you'll soon find out "reality" deserves those scare quotes around it. Go have a look at the discussions around SARS2, around the efficacy or lack thereof of the experimental vaccines or whether masking really provides protection against these types of infections. There is legitimate science on both sides of the debate but only one side was welcome during the pandemic, those who cited the other side quickly got labelled and nullified. There are countless other areas where this phenomenon can be seen and where a label and nullification awaits those who dare to step over the line, I'm fairly sure everyone can think of a few of them.