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Can you imagine being asked to move to a different city, go into the office, only to use Chime all day? The only people who will agree are the ones who sadly ha

Can you imagine being asked to move to a different city, go into the office, only to use Chime all day? The only people who will agree are the ones who sadly have no alternative.

andsoitis 3y ago
> The only people who will agree are the ones who sadly have no alternative. Many people will continue to choose to work at Amazon and specifically because they want to be around other colleagues a few days in the week. It is pretty presumptive and insulting to say to someone like that that they're in a "sad" position and they are "victims".
- anonym29 3y ago
  Exhibit 1. A 'Hacker News' post by a user exhibiting the tell-tale emotionally-charged defense of their abuser, a classic hallmark of Stockholm Syndrome.
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    > defense of their abuser I personally wouldn't choose to work for Amazon, for their remote work policy but also many other reasons. But I do believe it is insulting to say to someone who makes a clearly thought out tradeoff decision that it is where they want to work (e.g. someone who already lives in Seattle) that they are victims. Just because it doesn't suit your preferences, doesn't mean it doesn't suit others' perfectly well.
- grayhatter 3y ago
  rule #2 of hacker news, never express an opinion different from the hive mind. I don't agree with the other commenters, that you're suffering from Stockholm. So I'm sorry your opinion is getting unfairly trashed the way it is. But like you're not wrong to enjoy working in the office, they're not wrong for wanting to work at home. And it's pretty clear Amazon is being abusive with their policies So not everyone is a victim sure, some of them are, and I think the expectation is that everyone will help stand up against the bully, even when the bully isn't targeting you.
  - andsoitis 3y ago
    > Amazon is being abusive > stand up against the bully If one thinks one's employer is a bully and is abusive, isn't the better thing to do is to walk away? I'd much rather work on cool stuff and get rewarded accordingly, instead of feeling like I'm in an abusive relationship with my employer. Life just seems much too short to spend it on crap like that.
    - turnsout 3y ago
      That's an entitled perspective… not everyone has the ability to easily walk away. There are people who have high medical expenses and can't afford a break in coverage, people on H-1B visas, people who are in roles which are not in high demand.
      - andsoitis 3y ago
        I was on an immigrant visa once and was experiencing undue pressure from my employer, so I know what it feels like. I still had autonomy and could calculate for myself what risk (in this case losing my right to be in the US) I was willing to take. Maybe another way to think about it that is more productive is to ask yourself: what if my employer goes belly up? What would I do then? What degrees of freedom can I create to de-risk things. After all, my employer is not responsible for my success in life.
- turnsout 3y ago
  The thing is, plenty of people were hired with the expectation that they would stay remote. Sure, some of those people will be happy to go into the office. Others will most certainly not be happy about the "choice" of whether to move their family to another state and completely change their work routine.

Can you imagine being asked to move to a different city, go into the office, only to use Chime all day? The only people who will agree are the ones who sadly have no alternative.

andsoitis 3y ago

> The only people who will agree are the ones who sadly have no alternative. Many people will continue to choose to work at Amazon and specifically because they want to be around other colleagues a few days in the week. It is pretty presumptive and insulting to say to someone like that that they're in a "sad" position and they are "victims".

anonym29 3y ago
Exhibit 1. A 'Hacker News' post by a user exhibiting the tell-tale emotionally-charged defense of their abuser, a classic hallmark of Stockholm Syndrome.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > defense of their abuser I personally wouldn't choose to work for Amazon, for their remote work policy but also many other reasons. But I do believe it is insulting to say to someone who makes a clearly thought out tradeoff decision that it is where they want to work (e.g. someone who already lives in Seattle) that they are victims. Just because it doesn't suit your preferences, doesn't mean it doesn't suit others' perfectly well.
grayhatter 3y ago
rule #2 of hacker news, never express an opinion different from the hive mind. I don't agree with the other commenters, that you're suffering from Stockholm. So I'm sorry your opinion is getting unfairly trashed the way it is. But like you're not wrong to enjoy working in the office, they're not wrong for wanting to work at home. And it's pretty clear Amazon is being abusive with their policies So not everyone is a victim sure, some of them are, and I think the expectation is that everyone will help stand up against the bully, even when the bully isn't targeting you.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > Amazon is being abusive > stand up against the bully If one thinks one's employer is a bully and is abusive, isn't the better thing to do is to walk away? I'd much rather work on cool stuff and get rewarded accordingly, instead of feeling like I'm in an abusive relationship with my employer. Life just seems much too short to spend it on crap like that.
  - turnsout 3y ago
    That's an entitled perspective… not everyone has the ability to easily walk away. There are people who have high medical expenses and can't afford a break in coverage, people on H-1B visas, people who are in roles which are not in high demand.
    - andsoitis 3y ago
      I was on an immigrant visa once and was experiencing undue pressure from my employer, so I know what it feels like. I still had autonomy and could calculate for myself what risk (in this case losing my right to be in the US) I was willing to take. Maybe another way to think about it that is more productive is to ask yourself: what if my employer goes belly up? What would I do then? What degrees of freedom can I create to de-risk things. After all, my employer is not responsible for my success in life.
turnsout 3y ago
The thing is, plenty of people were hired with the expectation that they would stay remote. Sure, some of those people will be happy to go into the office. Others will most certainly not be happy about the "choice" of whether to move their family to another state and completely change their work routine.